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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=684">Lostdafire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3652<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2011 at 11:00am<br /><br />When work sessions were held in the past, citizens were generally not permitted to speak unless requested to do so by a council member. I seem to remember that&nbsp; work sessions were recorded but the setting of the room did not result in great camera or sound coverage.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3652<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2011 at 10:36am<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Vet<BR>I’m not sure how they will conduct this meeting.<BR>However I have been told that Dave</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Duritsch and Ron Phelps will also be attending this meeting to answer any questions.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3652<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2011 at 6:51am<br /><br />4PM meeting? Doesn't give us folks who work out of town much time to attend, particularly if one gets off work at 4PM and must drive from Fairborn.  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> Why do they schedule a meeting so as to not include the vast majority of people who may want to be there.......then again, perhaps it is planned with the intent of exclusion for most people. The less at the meeting, the less questions and "problems" will be created for them.  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />Will the public be able to participate Vivian or is this a "you can attend, but keep your mouth shut thing".  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3652<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2011 at 2:42am<br /><br /><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">You can't tell the history or understand what has happened at the </SPAN><?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Middletown</SPAN></st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Cemetery</SPAN></st1:place></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> over the years without talking about </SPAN><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Woodside</SPAN></st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Cemetery</SPAN></st1:place></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">. <BR>When Woodside was established in1891 with its pond and park like setting all the prominent people wanted to be buried at this new cemetery and so the removal of the large beautiful stones and their owner were disinterred from Middletown Cemetery. Here is the link to Woodside Section 9 however over the next 20 years many were re-interred in other sections at Woodside also. <a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcmiddl/Woodside-9.htm" target="_blank"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><U><FONT color=#800080 size=2>http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcmiddl/Woodside-9.htm</FONT></U></SPAN></A><BR>The Middletown Cemetery would become known as the cemetery for the&nbsp;poorer citizens of </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Middletown</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">. This started the decline of the cemetery.<BR><BR>I thought you might enjoy reading the following article.<BR>Mrs. Rachel Magie was very wealthy and would later donate $25,000 for the construction of the </SPAN><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Middletown</SPAN></st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Hospital</SPAN></st1:place></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> after the terrible train wreck in </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">West Middletown</SPAN></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">. See the&nbsp;photo of her very large beautiful monument below.<BR><BR></SPAN><st1:date M&#111;nth="7" Day="21" Year="1892"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">July 21, 1892</SPAN></st1:date><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">&nbsp; </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Middletown</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> Signal Weekly, </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Middletown</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">, </SPAN><st1:State><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Ohio</SPAN></st1:place></st1:State><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">&nbsp; <BR><B>THAT MONUMENT<BR>Mrs. Magie Replevias Her Property, <BR>and the Same Is Being Removed to Woodside</B>.<BR>&nbsp; Tuesday Mrs. Rachel Magie appeared before Squire Hedding asking for an order of replevin to secure the following property, which she claims is wrongfully detained by the Middletown Cemetery Association and belongs to her:&nbsp; One granite pedestal, a marble statue, two grave markers, and two corner-stones.<BR>&nbsp; These are present on her lot in the </SPAN><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Middletown</SPAN></st1:PlaceName><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA"> </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Cemetery</SPAN></st1:place></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">, where her husband is buried.<BR>&nbsp; She seeks to remove the remains to Woodside Cemetery, and the Directors of the Middletown Cemetery Association ask that she pay the charges as set down in their rules, which require that all excavations, refilling, and other work about the cemetery be made by the sexton, under the supervision of the Trustees, and that he receive enumeration for the same as follows;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For exhuming body, $10<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For removing brick or stone in vault-wall in grave, $5<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For refilling excavations, 75 cents per square yard<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For sodding and repairing, 5 cents per square foot.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For removing foundation stone under monument $3 per perch<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For raising the grave a metallic casket, $5<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For receiving and recording written request for removal and issuing license for same, $2<BR>&nbsp; The rules further provide that when a body and a monument is removed that all stone foundations for monuments, etc., shall also be removed and the excavation refilled which it is claimed is but justice for those whose dead are buried there and which if the association permitted people to tear up without regard to the rules would soon be an unsightly place.&nbsp; In accordance with these rules the association asks Mrs. Magie to pay $75, there being 13 perch of stone to remove and the excavation to be refilled together with other requirements as set forth by the cemetery rules.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;The association should not be accused of fighting Mrs. Magie or any other association.&nbsp; They are willing that the lady shall have her own and they are perfectly willing that the removal shall be made.&nbsp; On the other hand Mrs. Magie and her agents think the charges exorbitant and hence entered suit for the recovery of her property, when Constable Naughton replevined the same.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;Theodore Marston and J. 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Thomas were called to appraise the property which they did, valuing it at $750 and Mr. Stewart, of </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Hamilton</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">, who had the contract for removing proceeded and the work and the finest monument in the cemetery will before another day be removed to beautiful </SPAN><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">Lakeside</SPAN></st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; The case will come up for hearing next Saturday at </SPAN><st1:time Hour="9" Minute="0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">9 o’clock</SPAN></st1:time><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA">.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Mrs. Magie claims to have been damaged to the amount of $100 for the unlawful detention of her property since she first asked to be permitted to remove the monument.…..<EM><B><SPAN style="COLOR: maro&#111;n">vcm: cut off copy</SPAN></B></EM> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/uploads/115/MAGIE_William_&amp_Rachel.jpg" height="875" width="521" border="0" /><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV></SPAN>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3652<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2011 at 1:34am<br /><br /><strong><EM><FONT color=#0000ff><P ="Ms&#111;normal">The first meeting of the Middletown&nbsp;Cemetery Board meeting has been confirmed.&nbsp; The meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, February 9, 2011 at 4:00 p.m. in Conference Room 2C.&nbsp;&nbsp;You are welcome to attend.&nbsp;</P><DIV>Will we be the ruthless strangers to destroy the final resting place of the founders of our City and others?<BR><BR></FONT></EM></strong>July 21, 1892&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Middletown Signal Weekly, Middletown, Ohio<B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><I><BR></I></SPAN>Cemeteries</B><BR><B>The New and the Old and What People Think of Them<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </B>The feeling in the matter of the removal of remains and monuments from the old cemetery by those who so desire, seems to be that the prices are not extortionate; that the old ground should be preserved in its beauty, and that it should not be permitted to be torn up and despoiled ruthlessly by those who want to remove their dead.&nbsp; But that a decent respect for the rights of others and the common dictates of justice demand that when a body is removed the lot should be left in such condition as is presentable and in conformity with the surroundings.<BR><B>&nbsp;</B>There may be no good reason, however, for requiring the removal of the foundations to monuments, as the lot is still in possession of the party who owns the foundation, and he should certainly have the privilege of leaving the same on his lot as long as it does not present an unsightly appearance or in any way interfere with the unsightly appearance or in any way interfere with the rights or privileges of others.&nbsp; True, he may sell or give the lot to some other person but when he does he gives him what is contained therein and for any artificial obstructions, requiring extra work in digging a grave in such a lot, the owner should be required to pay the sexton.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But to insist upon the removal of these foundations it is thought is demanding too much, and it looks as if it indeed were too much.&nbsp; When the Middletown Cemetery Association requires an expenditure of money for this useless piece of folly says one individual, “it looks as if they are only desirous of obstructing the inevitable.”<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <strong>The old cemetery will go. Another decade and the place will be in the center of the city, where a progressive generation will neither desire nor permit a burying ground.&nbsp; It is well therefore to care for our dead now, and seeing it is only a question of time until removal is necessary, while we are still able, it is better to preserve the sacred remains of those we love and place them in a safe place, than leave it to the ruthless hands of strangers in years to come.&nbsp;</strong> Thus while there is no charge of extortion on the part of the old cemetery association there is a feeling that they are demanding unnecessary work from those who desire to move.&nbsp; A number of our best people who have lots in the old cemetery are purchasing a resting place for their dead in the new necropolis and in a very short time will begin the removal of the remains.&nbsp; So it can readily be seen that the new cemetery is timely and for it we should be thankful to the enterprising gentlemen who are laying it out and making it fit for interment. </DIV>]]>
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