<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="RSS_xslt_style.asp" version="1.0" ?>
<rss version="2.0" xmlns:WebWizForums="http://syndication.webwiz.co.uk/rss_namespace/">
 <channel>
  <title>Middletown Forum : Issue 5-Collective Bargaining</title>
  <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/</link>
  <description>This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : News, Info and Happenings outside Middletown : Issue 5-Collective Bargaining</description>
  <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2026 04:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
  <lastBuildDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 14:29:43 +0000</lastBuildDate>
  <docs>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss</docs>
  <generator>Web Wiz Forums 10.12</generator>
  <ttl>360</ttl>
  <WebWizForums:feedURL>www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3685</WebWizForums:feedURL>
  <image>
   <title>Middletown Forum</title>
   <url>http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg</url>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/</link>
  </image>
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining :  Vet - who is it that you want...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27205&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27205</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2011 at 2:29pm<br /><br />Vet - who is it that you want to run? Anyone who has the time to run either has deep pockets or has no job. My suggestion has been to vote for anyone that is not a Democrat or Republican. I haven't changed my mind about that. I agree with you about a politician who doesn't take campaign money from corporations or lobbyists might be the only hope. I guess we need to find us a lottery winner!!! lol]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 14:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27205&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27205</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : Tony B....   &amp;#034;IT IS TIME...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27180&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27180</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;29&nbsp;2011 at 12:24pm<br /><br />Tony B....<br /><br /> "IT IS TIME FOR AMERICANS TO WAKE UP, TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT AND VOTE THEM OUT!!!"<br /><br />And vote for whom? Can't get the candidates that we need to run and really change things. The people we need that will really make a difference are those that have other obligations, don't have deep enough financial pockets to combat the current cancerous people in office, or would be swallowed up in local, state or fed gov. in Washington by the corrupt climate in each level. <br /><br />When we all vote, do we really have a choice? Aren't the choices on either side of the aisle going to give us more of the same? The very nature of the make-up of a politician today requires a certain amount of corruptness and being able to be bought off by the lobbyists or they wouldn't last a week in Washington. Perhaps getting rid of the lobbyists and corporate influences in Wash. would allow the politicians to work for the people again. Never happen though. Been going on too long and the corruption is too entrenched to get rid of it. Would just like to see one politician say that they will not talk to nor take money from any lobbyist or corporation and really mean it. Hasn't happened yet, has it?<br /><br />]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27180&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27180</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining :   Vet - Let&amp;#039;s continue...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27178&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27178</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;29&nbsp;2011 at 11:59am<br /><br />Vet - Let's continue this ride!<div>&nbsp;</div><div>It isn't the public workers bubble that has burst, it's the AMERICAN WORKERS bubble that has been deliberately stolen from them by inept management and the greed of the wealthy and their bought and paid for representatives. What I continue to not understand is that the people who created ALL of this mess are the ones getting the free ride! Who created the public worker system? That's right, politicians! Who signed all those "free" trade agreements? Politicians. Who downsized all these private sector workplaces and sent the jobs and investments overseas? Wealthy corporations who pay no taxes aided by their bought and paid for politicians! Unneeded and costly waste? Should not do something? Has that ever stopped politicians and their corporate masters? The gravytrain is over for everyone without power and influence. Look at what is happening in Michigan. Autocrats appointed by the governor that can usurp the democratically elected representatives to do as they please and think that their doing us a "favor"!!! Think Kasich won't be looking at that and licking his chops? Taking more money out of the public school system to support private profit and religious education is already happening. I AM ANGRY AS A TAXPAYER AND CITIZEN!!! I'm not angry at public workers or private workers; I'm angry at&nbsp;politicians who have allowed this to happen, the wealthy corporations whose only concern is making more money at any cost and the media who are complicit in this "rape" of America and the American worker!!! By the way, I lump the big unions in with the greedy corporations because while they claim to represent workers, they have contributed to the problem by shielding poor performing workers and with their outrageous rules that reward unproductive workers at the expense of others. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Vet, I understand the anger and the frustration but I believe it is misplaced. If we don't fix this problem at the ballot box and soon, there simply won't be anything left to fix. We are headed headlong toward autocracy (if we aren't there already) and nothing short of a people's revolution can restore America and our democratic republic. These little cosmetic changes and all the blame and finger-pointing is a smokescreen. IT IS TIME FOR AMERICANS TO WAKE UP, TAKE BACK THEIR GOVERNMENT AND VOTE THEM OUT!!!</div>]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27178&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27178</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : Ok Tony. let&amp;#039;s give this...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27177&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27177</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;29&nbsp;2011 at 11:23am<br /><br />Ok Tony. let's give this a ride again....<br /><br />Cushy job for public workers (any government/union worker) when:<br /><br />1. They have been paying 9% or less toward their benefits out of their own paychecks when private sector has been paying 15-24%.<br /><br />2. Have had the taxpayer pay for their retirement packages AND they usually retire at an earlier age as an added slap in the face of the private sector taxpayer. I know some teachers that have already retired when I'm still working at 62 and still trying to build up my private sector retirement accounts to an acceptable level before I can even think about retiring.....AND. to boot, part of my taxes went into a fund to help these teachers retire early. Another boot up the keester for the private sector. <br /><br />3. Union/public sector workers have had, for years, people that go to bat for them in wage/benefit negotiations and the wimps doling out the money to them, usually give in. Don't have anyone going to bat for us in the private sector. You are given a % raise and you take it or leave it. PERIOD No "negotiating" allowed. <br /><br />4. They are trained and assigned a job. They only do that job and no other. They are not required to ask if anyone needs help doing their job if they are not busy. (this may have changed, but that's the way it was)<br /><br />Is the private sector jealous? Hell yes. If you were in the private sector all these years and saw the playing field being as uneven as it has been ....all these years, you would want this change to even it out also. We're tired of footing the bill while the public unions lap up all the gravy. We'd like some gravy too bud. <br /><br />Like I said, the public worker's bubble has burst and the gravytrain is over......and they don't like it, but want to blame everyone and everything else but the fact that their greedy negotiations over the years have finally caught up with them, IMO. They have priced themselves right out of city, state and fed budgets, IMO.<br /><br />As far as everyone thinking they have it hard and everyone else has it easy....Tony, I see what the fed government workers do on a day to day basis here at Wright-Patt. It would anger you too as a taxpayer. Layers and layers of un-needed/duplicated positions, mostly papershufflers and meeting-goers.....just like middle managers in the private world. They are all un-needed/costly waste, IMO. I'm sure Kasich has his share of deadwood in the statehouse too and should not be giving any unearned raises in good or bad times.  ]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27177&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27177</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining :  Vet - Public workers and &amp;#034;the...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27174&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27174</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;29&nbsp;2011 at 7:59am<br /><br />Vet - Public workers and "the cushy ride" ; sounds like a novel. especially since it would be classified as a work of fiction. <div>&nbsp;</div><div>Let's face it; everyone thinks their job is hard and everyone else has it easy. After all the venom about how public workers are the problem, is it any wonder that they perceive they are "hated"! I keep hearing the gloating about how public workers are "getting what they deserve" yet the real crooks; the leadership of this state, are seen as saving the state. How are they saving the state when Kasich gives unearned raises to staff who haven't done anything!? If you can't see that; then I'd say you are the one blind to the real truth; these bastards have workers fighting over scraps while they plunder and rape the taxpayer!!!</div>]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27174&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27174</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : Today&amp;#039;s Journal...  MIDDLETOWN...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27173&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27173</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;29&nbsp;2011 at 7:10am<br /><br />Today's Journal...<br /><br />MIDDLETOWN TEACHERS ASSOCIATION<br />Keynote speaker tells Middletown teachers: 'the governor hates us'<br />Middletown teachers hear strong rhetoric against Gov. Kasich at the banquet.<br />MIDDLETOWN — The festive atmosphere of the Middletown Teachers Association’s dinner banquet was briefly put on hold Thursday night after the event’s keynote speaker stepped to the podium.<br /><br />Bill Leibensperger, the vice president of the Ohio Education Association, spoke to attendees about the “battle” against Senate Bill 5 and the march toward a voter referendum.<br /><br />“The governor hates us,” he said as a hush went over the union crowd. “I don’t think I’m overstating that. It’s not about jobs. It’s not about balancing budgets.”<br /><br /><br />Guess 'ole Bill and the teachers just don't get it either. It is obvious that the country, the states and most cities are cash poor, cutting services, reducing personnel, cutting back on purchases, etc, yet, VP Bill and some of the public employees in all sectors can't see the light. <br /><br />No, they are all upset that their cushy ride is coming to an end, they will finally have to pay what the rest of us are paying toward bennies and retirement and that the taxpayer has had enough, especially if that taxpayer comes from the private sector. Too full of anger to see the truth, I guess. ]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27173&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27173</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : From the Soundoff in the Journal...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27107&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27107</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;25&nbsp;2011 at 11:04am<br /><br />From the Soundoff in the Journal on Monday, April 25th......<br /><br />Regarding the April 18 article “Public workers fare better than private with benefits”: This attack on public workers is getting shameful. I wish The Journal would post the fact that public workers don’t live as long as private workers because of all the stress and headaches. Now The Journal is just adding to the stress and headaches with attacks on public workers. Yet The Journal hides an article in the back of the paper about how the super-rich had their taxes lowered. If the United States and the state (budgets) are so bad, why are they lowering the taxes on the super-rich and why is it on the back page? People should be more outraged about that than some public workers having some benefits so they can live out a few years before they die. It’s shameful.<br /><br />We now have a public worker that is claiming that public workers have more stress on the job than private workers do. This claim comes despite the fact that private workers can be fired on the spot and downsized at any time, have no collective bargaining and take what the boss wants to give them, must pay 15-24% in payroll deductions for medical and dental benefits premiums, pay anywhere from 5-15% into their retirements while public workers pay a fraction of those costs and usually enjoy a higher hourly pay range for a comparable job. <br /><br />Nope, just can't buy into the claim this public worker is making. The facts and numbers don't support the claim. Hard to justify that public workers bust their hump when you walk into any government office and see how fast they're moving and the overall climate of the working environment when they stare at you, the client, with this blank look in their eyes and lack of enthusiasm to help serve you. Sometimes, I'm thinking of buying them all plumbobs to tie to their belt loops to see if they're moving or not.  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> I find it real comical when the caller says that the public worker doesn't live as long as a private worker due to stress. I see that public stress with the state of Ohio workers along the roads with five people standing around watching the backhoe digging the ditch while the supervisor drives up in the yellow bubble light pick-up truck to supervise the hole diggin".<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> Good comedy. ]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=27107&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#27107</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : Thank you Bill for the suggestion....</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=25835&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#25835</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;10&nbsp;2011 at 7:42pm<br /><br />Thank you Bill for the suggestion. I will try that in the future.<br /><br />My employer will allow us to place up to 15% of our wages into our 401K in a given year. Periodically, we have the option of changing that percentage back to 10 or to 5% if we choose. They match up to a certain percentage up to 10% I believe. ]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=25835&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#25835</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : Vet, a polite suggestion to place...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=25832&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#25832</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;10&nbsp;2011 at 3:25pm<br /><br />Vet, a polite suggestion to place your comments in bold or italics to distinguish from Ash's.&nbsp; Hard to follow.&nbsp; Anyway, Ash mentions that some posters have the option to <strong>pay in an addition 4% to "<EM>receive an additional annunity on retirement</EM>."&nbsp; </strong>Not sure that I saw anyone comment on that.&nbsp; Who out there has an "annuity" on retirement other than public employees?<DIV></DIV>And the comparison to the legislators is off target.&nbsp; Yes, they are getting too much and that should change, but their perks are small potatos compared to the unions.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In the end, would anyone of us making...say $20/hour go ahead and hire a house cleaner at $30/hour?</DIV>]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=25832&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#25832</guid>
  </item> 
  <item>
   <title>Issue 5-Collective Bargaining : Elvis, I have to add to put the...</title>
   <link>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=25831&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#25831</link>
   <description>
    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3685<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;10&nbsp;2011 at 3:20pm<br /><br />Elvis, I have to add to put the icing on the cake. The secretary to the Chief in the Fire Department started out at $44,000 and is now &gt; $50,000 annually, with all those gravy benefits the city gets. Compare that to the Director of Nursing, Butler Cty Health, MSN, &gt;30 yr Nursing, UNC grad, $42Kk base, Director of Epidemiology, MSN, &gt;30 yrs Nurse, Miami, UNC grad grad, $42,000. Hell, the secretary for the detectives makes over $50,000 and Betsy Parr, a clerk for council, she is near $70,000. Look at Rhonda Freeze down in Butler Cty, filed complaint when making $83,000 tamed to $69,000., plus her Mayor court fees and cash.<br>The RN's in Butler Cty make about $35 Kk annually and haven't had a raise in 5 years. Compare that to the pay range for a Middletown water worker, wanting $30/ hr, 240. daily, 1200.weekly, or about $65,000 annually with OT. <br><br>It has ended. At least you got the annuity in Graceland coming to you.]]>
   </description>
   <pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
   <guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3685&amp;PID=25831&amp;title=issue-5collective-bargaining#25831</guid>
  </item> 
 </channel>
</rss>