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Middletown Forum : AJ's Meeting Tonight http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : AJ's Meeting Tonight Wed, 07 Oct 2026 04:32:18 +0000 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:50:31 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3712 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ AJ's Meeting Tonight : The attendance or non-attendance... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25798&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25798 Author: Bill
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Posted: Mar 09 2011 at 9:50am

The attendance or non-attendance at these silly events doesn't necessarily mean much. Whenever AJ requests info from Judy (that she later doesn't provide) he claims it is because of all these calls or emails he's been getting. So apparently there is communication with council but not in person. Frankly I wouldn't attend one of these things -- no pictures in the paper for me plus whatever we say will fall on deaf ears.]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:50:31 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25798&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25798 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Mike, I believe the Freedom of... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25797&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25797 Author: acclaro
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Posted: Mar 09 2011 at 9:23am

Mike, I believe the Freedom of Information Bill requires openness in all settings, including cameras inside the court in most venues. Of course, anyone could attend the session upstairs and record it, pop it on youtube. And, of course there is a reason for discussing these issues upstairs, and it is not council members are "camera" shy."

What I find strange? I always thought public figures worked for the citizens, not the other ay around.

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:23:48 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25797&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25797 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Mike, What a shock. Our newspaper... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25795&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25795 Author: Paul Nagy
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Posted: Mar 09 2011 at 7:03am

Mike,

What a shock. Our newspaper reported the Aj meeting exactly as you said but with one additional note. They said that the low attendance was because of apathy on the part of citizens . So that straightens out those of us who thought it was a no confidence statement about Aj. If the apathetic citizens had no confidence in AJ the reporters would have told us so. Wouldn't they?

Paul Nagy

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:03:13 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25795&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25795 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Messrs Nagy and Acclaro: Excellent... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25794&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25794 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 09 2011 at 5:46am

Messrs Nagy and Acclaro:

Excellent commentary!

And Acclaro, splendid observation regarding the courts!!!

From mere petty civil matters all the way to capital cases where death is the punishment, the proceedings and arguments can be made in front of TV cameras and broadcast across our nation, but the business of THE PEOPLE of Middletown seems to be just too “sensitive” to be discussed in front of TV cameras.

The matters of our (once) great nation are routinely discussed in The People’s House of Representatives daily in front of the C-SPAN cameras for live broadcast and taped replay, but the matters of The People of Middletown apparently make our elected officials too “uncomfortable” for similar openess???

Even that august body, the Senate of the United Sates, conducts their daily debates in front of cameras, both live and for rebroadcast. Budgets, cabinet and high court appointments, censures of their own members, inquiries of all sorts, investigations, even impeachments and declarations of war are discussed and debated in the open and recorded and rebroadcast for all to see!!!

Yet, somehow, matters coming before the city council of Middletown, Ohio, are just too “sensitive”, somehow just too uncomfortable, for our elected officials and civil servants to discuss in a manner where the discussions can be seen and heard by any interested citizen as easily as they can watch the impeachment of a US president, the debate of our nation's budget, the trial of an alleged murderer, or the the confirmation hearings of a US Supreme Court Justice.

Something is wrong here. Something is terribly, terribly wrong here!!!

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2011 05:46:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25794&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25794 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Mr. Nagy, absolutely one of the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25792&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25792 Author: acclaro
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Posted: Mar 08 2011 at 11:11pm

Mr. Nagy, absolutely one of the most eloquent written pieces of satire I've read, Bravo! Sadly, true.

Smith---the mouthpiece for the union, and a few show up, knowing his agenda. But, doesn't everyone have an agenda on council? A city driven over the cliff, into a ditch, and no one asks for the keys back.

This is a nightmare isn't it? Amazing courts and judges can have murder trials and complex litigation on camera, but it "disturbs" the people's business. What a mess and most have no idea they have been taken to the cleaners time and time again.

I assume Smith's union friends were in Madison and couldn't make it make in time for his charade tonight. They will re-appear.

]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2011 23:11:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25792&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25792 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Mike, You must be mistaken... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25791&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25791 Author: Paul Nagy
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Posted: Mar 08 2011 at 10:38pm

Mike,

You must be mistaken when you say that there were only 5 of you there. AJ has reminded us very plainly that he has support from at least 76% of the second ward. DId you look carefully around the room?

" AJ did most of the talking" you say. Well, that part sounds right. Now, AJ doesn't avoid a subject, so I wonder if you are accurate that when you asked about the change of venue and structure for the council work sessions that his reply had nothing to do with the question. He must have told you why they changed it in the first place and how the change was better for the taxpayers. After all, not lettng the taxpayers know what is going on is less stressful for the citizens if they can't make it to a meeting. Not being able to see it on TVMiddletown must have some serious undercover benefit for democracy that has not been explained to us. This is the way dictators and totalitarians do things, not city council. Council and especially the Administration need to be able to talk about the city's business in an environment that is not stressful to them. After all, it is open to the public. You must have sneezed when he gave the answer and you just missed it. Maybe AJ answered your questions just before you got there.

Also, you have got to be wrong about AJ talking about his partisan support for SB5. We all know council members are nonpartisan. The city charter says so and the other council members don't do it. Its a good thing two people from the press were there. I'm sure they will write an entire article on the actual facts of the meeting and correct your account..

Well, when a city is run like ours is, it only leaves sarcasm to describe the injustices, corruption and incompetence that are apparent. What a waste of life.

Paul Nagy

]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:38:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25791&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25791 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Generally speaking, Rem was proven... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25790&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25790 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 08 2011 at 9:53pm

Generally speaking, Rem was proven correct this evening!!!

I was about a half an hour late, but I did attend AJ's event. The only other ones there were Jackie Phillips, a gentleman that I did not recognize, and two reporters from an alleged local newspaper. Rev. Tyus also poked his head in for a couple of moments but did not participate.

AJ did most of the talking. I questioned him about the change of venue and structure for the council work sessions. he told me at least a dozen times that these sessions were open to the public, even though I made it clear that I understood that point. He did assure me that he would bring up taping these sessions, for delayed broadcast, at the next council meeting. I don't understand the reasoning behind this, unless they want an opportunity to edit the tape, but it is better than nothing. I do hope that he is true to his word.

AJ spent much of the remainder of the time repeating his support of unions and oppostion to SB5. I disagreed with his statistics but that did not seem to matter to him. I saw no wisdom in trying to debate as his mind seemed to be closed on the matter. At 7:40, I said my good-byes and departed.

PS to Smartman: If the "party" moved anywhere, I was not invited.

PS to Spiderjohn: I actually DID go to Applebee's afterwards and had a bite to eat. I was there for about an hour. I can say for a fact that none of the other attendees arrived there by the time that I left. The crowd was sparse...I would have noticed.

Had any of them showed up, I probably would have offered them a drink. Even though we disagreed on the issues and I was interrupted several times, the meeting was amiable.

]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:53:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25790&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25790 AJ's Meeting Tonight : rem 1187 wrote:Got a question?... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25789&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25789 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 08 2011 at 9:29pm

rem 1187 wrote:

Got a question? Pickup the phone and call them. If your going to bitch get your facts straight first. Been to the almighty ward sessions and have seen all 15 of us at ever one. Watched one of the "Advanced members" on this site leaving Jones held at the chamber because know one showed up. Can't wait for this site to get serious about one issue and help solve it. Sorry to degrade this thread with 10th grade grammer but actions speak louder than words. And know I don't have all the answers, it's just that all the energy on this site could be quite productive if there was some focus.

Rem:

Even though I try to attend every "conversation with council" I was guilty of being absent from the one at the Chamber office. You must realize, however, that some of us are old, infirm, travel occassionally, work (not me, but others) various shifts, and have various other scheduling conflicts and cannot always attend each time. But I do agree, generally with much of your statement.

]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:29:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25789&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25789 AJ's Meeting Tonight : middletownscouter wrote:Hate... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25788&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25788 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 08 2011 at 9:21pm

middletownscouter wrote:

Hate to disagree with you Vet, but Mayor Mulligan came to my son's Cub Scout event (public event) a couple Saturdays ago and spoke to the families there both in front of the mic as a guest and also as people approached him before and after.

So many things in this thread that beg a reply!!!

I'll start with this easy one first:

Scouter:

With all due respect to the cub scouts, I'm sure that the mayor knows that they are unlikely to ask the tough questions.

]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:21:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25788&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25788 AJ's Meeting Tonight : Judy is going nowhere (to Ms.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3712&PID=25787&title=ajs-meeting-tonight#25787 Author: acclaro
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Posted: Mar 08 2011 at 9:00pm

Judy is going nowhere (to Ms. Moon). Bought a house that dropped $51,000 in a matter of 2 years. Today, she would be luck to get $165,000 for it, but she's committed to being here. House bought.

Not a council member, have requested my 3rd ward representative many times, to put money back into dedicated infrastructure fund rem, to no avail. This city is too far gone to give a damn. Recall? On what grounds, the stack full house and at large play? Voters approved it.

Moving the canoe upstream against the tide is a challenge. They could not pay me $100 Kk a year to serve on council. Its a game for the "in towners", not those idiots like me who moved in to commute.

Good 1 sj....100 beers of beer on the-------. Pass it around, 99 beers et al.

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