Middletown Forum : Kasich's New Plan For Education http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : School Achievements : Kasich's New Plan For Education Tue, 06 Oct 2026 05:46:33 +0000 Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:39:42 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3753 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Kasich's New Plan For Education : Education starts at home. How... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26487&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26487 Author: sportsnut
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Posted: Apr 05 2011 at 11:39am

Education starts at home. How do you fix the issues of teaching students that are not given any incentive, discipline or desire at home to learn? Motivating students that have learned, through their life experience, that education is not important has to be trying on the teachers. All they want is for their students to achieve - and they get no backing from the parent(s).

Adult education is as important to the success of the MLS District as anything. A huge weakness in Middletown(society) is getting uneducated adults into some sort of educational process. The result of educating the adults would be their children will understand the value of education. How does this happen? Who pays for it? What ramifications are there for not participating?   

I'll leave the discipline to Vet! ]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:39:42 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26487&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26487 Kasich's New Plan For Education : Vet -thanks for the post. If it... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26479&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26479 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Apr 05 2011 at 10:37am

Vet -thanks for the post. If it hasn't become obvious in my 100+ previous posts, I'm just as interested in finding solutions as I am about pointing out problems. IMO, the more points of view obtained, the better the opportunity to find solutions.
I've asked a number of different people about this and have heard a variety of answers concerning what the problems are in our educational system and what can or should be done about it. The more opinions about this that I hear, the clearer the picture of the problem and possible solutions become. I certainly don't think I have all the answers and I'm not shy about taking what I see as a good idea and supporting it. If only our elected representatives would concentrate on solving problems instead of taking credit, we might actually get something accomplished!!!
]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:37:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26479&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26479 Kasich's New Plan For Education : Solutions, TonyB???? Lebanon... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26477&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26477 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Apr 05 2011 at 10:11am

Solutions, TonyB????

Lebanon is obviously doing it right by their rating. Middletown, that's another story altogether.

IMO, Middletown's school problems began when they took corporal punishment out of the schools, thereby, eliminating any deterrent for those students who choose not to live by the rules. Expulsions, time-outs, suspensions, in general, are laughed at by the students and are "no big deal" for the parents. It would appear no one cares about getting into trouble today apparently. This, in turn, disrupts the educational process and sometimes penalizes the kids who are there to learn. In an "upper class" school system, where the expectations are high for behavior, both from the schools point of view and the parents, there is less of a need for the deterrent. It also helps that the kid comes from a household where proper behavior is taught and enforced. In Middletown's case, with the attraction of lower income, and with the behavioral problems that stereotypically accompany that segment of the population, there is no greater need than to have behavioral deterrents in place that are severe enough to make an impact. Not really convinced Middletown schools are set up to provide the harsh deterrents needed for the type of student they draw. The more "hard-core" and "street bred" the students, the more reason for hard-core deterrents to be in place. Kinder/gentler doesn't cut it with Middletown's kids. Need some good old military interjection to beef up the program. Need military people to come into the Middletown schools and train the admin/teachers to handle different behavioral problems effectively. It is amazing how one drill instructor can "motivate" 40 recruits from all walks of life, without laying a hand on 'em. The need is great here in this school system. JMO ]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:11:22 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26477&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26477 Kasich's New Plan For Education : sportsnut and vet - thank you... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26473&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26473 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Apr 05 2011 at 9:47am

sportsnut and vet - thank you for your posts. I appreciate these insights and opinions. I hope that others will offer their insights on this matter.
In that same vein, I'd also like to ask what do any of you see as the solution to these problems?
]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:47:35 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26473&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26473 Kasich's New Plan For Education : sportsnut is correct again. One... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26470&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26470 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Apr 05 2011 at 8:29am

sportsnut is correct again. One city attracts people who value education and instills it in their children while providing the correct classroom environment to receive a quality education. The other city entices low income, promotes Section 8 and welcomes all the elements of the lower crust who typically don't value education as parents because they were not pushed in that direction by their parents. And, this same district has failed to provide an environment that fosters quality education. The Middletown city leaders don't give the schools much to work with, while the schools don't help themselves by placing solutions (control, discipline, accountability and action) in place to deal with the type of student the city seems to want to attract. Both are guilty parties for the current situation in our schools.   JMO]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:29:06 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26470&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26470 Kasich's New Plan For Education : TonyB wrote:If both places... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26468&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26468 Author: sportsnut
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Posted: Apr 05 2011 at 7:14am

Originally posted by TonyB TonyB wrote:

If both places have teachers unions why is one place doing so well and the other not? I'd be interested in any theory or opinion on this.


The socio-economic status of the student body in each district.

]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:14:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26468&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26468 Kasich's New Plan For Education : sportsnut and vet: I'm curious... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26455&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26455 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Apr 04 2011 at 6:46pm

sportsnut and vet: I'm curious to understand what makes Lebanon's district excellent as opposed to Middletown's. I know that these ratings come from the testing done. Is that the only way schools are rated? If both places have teachers unions why is one place doing so well and the other not? I'd be interested in any theory or opinion on this.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:46:18 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26455&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26455 Kasich's New Plan For Education : sportsnut-you are correct! I was... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26454&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26454 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Apr 04 2011 at 6:27pm

sportsnut-you are correct! I was referring to the Middletown district with respect to my comments. I know that Lebanon is an excellent district and that most other districts are in better shape than Middletown's. I should not have generalized and should have made clear, I was directing my comments (and frustration) at Middletown. Thank you for the clarification. ]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:27:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26454&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26454 Kasich's New Plan For Education : VietVet wrote: "I’m... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26436&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26436 Author: sportsnut
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Posted: Apr 04 2011 at 8:11am

Originally posted by VietVet VietVet wrote:

   

"I’m concerned about how all of it will go into effect,” she said. “I’m not against what they’re proposing, as long as it’s better for the kids.”- Esther Larson- Lebanon Board of Education President. Esther, if you and your fellow education people are concerned about "what is better for the kids". why did you keep doing ineffective things that provided poor results for so long? Seems like all of you were content to keep business as usual....until now.





why did you keep doing ineffective things that provided poor results for so long?

Not to discount your argument too much here, but you do realize that Lebanon City Schools are an "Excellent with Distinction" rated district right?

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:11:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26436&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26436 Kasich's New Plan For Education : So, many of the school districts... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26385&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26385 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Apr 02 2011 at 3:25pm

So, many of the school districts may have given away more taxpayer money under the collective bargaining system again hey. How fortunate and convenient for the teachers to have their contracts done before the hammer comes down on them and their sweet little wage/benefit/retirement world of theirs. Next time, it may work out differently for them. They may have to accept the wages, bennies and retirement that are presented to them and that the rest of us have been accepting for decades. No bargaining, just take it, be happy with it and leave the room because that's all we can afford at this time and that's how much value you bring to the table for us. If so, welcome to the private sector, public folks! ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:25:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3753&PID=26385&title=kasichs-new-plan-for-education#26385