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   <title>Monroe Schools : Ground swat, thank you for your...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=529">Marcia Andrew</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;21&nbsp;2011 at 6:33pm<br /><br />Ground swat, thank you for your post.&nbsp; I have to say that a number of people have told me I am crazy to post on this blog under my real name.&nbsp; I just feel that most people do not know the depth and complexity of the issues the schools face, and that if they knew more they might understand better. I'm not expecting to convert people to my point of view.]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : JSmith,  I do not believe that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=529">Marcia Andrew</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;21&nbsp;2011 at 6:27pm<br /><br />JSmith,<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I do not believe that the "highly qualified" requirements for employees are applicable to volunteers. If your point is that volunteers will not be as qualified as volunteers, I would have to agree, but also don't think that means they couldn't effectively staff the school libraries.&nbsp; If your point is that because volunteers may not have the same qualifications as the former library managers, that they are prohibited from helping in the libraries, I don't think this is correct.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>My understanding of the laws on background checks for volunteers is that they are required if the volunteer will be having one-on-one interaction with a student -- and MCSD does require these be done. We actually have some donors who have picked up the cost of the background checks for those volunteers who can't afford them.&nbsp; One-on-one means a situation where an adult would be alone in a room with 1 child. "Interacting" with a child, for example by helping that child choose a book or check it out, while there are other children and/or adults in the same room, does not require a background check.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Criminal background checks are not required by law&nbsp;for other volunteers.&nbsp; We want to encourage more adults to volunteer in the schools, not discourage them. If we required a criminal background check of every mom, dad or grandma who wants to help out in the schools or the PTOs, we would have many fewer volunteers.&nbsp; However, in most situations there is oversight of volunteers by teachers or other adults, and common sense prevails.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I have tried to explain how the board made its decision, and why we don't always&nbsp;ask for the level of detail&nbsp;you are suggesting we should have asked for.&nbsp; I and my fellow board members do the best we can, and recognize that not everyone will agree with everything we do (and, conversely, that no matter what we do, at least some people will disagree with it).&nbsp; All I can say is, if you think that you can do a better job, run for the board this fall. Just get your flak jacket out.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : Ms. Andrews I never pretended...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=791">jsmith2011</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;21&nbsp;2011 at 2:51pm<br /><br />Ms. Andrews I never pretended to be "knowledgeable" about public school libraries.  All I did was visit an elementary school library in our school district and then make a call to the Ohio Department of Education when I found out that the current library managers were required to have an Aide Certificate from the State that includes a background check and be rated highly qualified by taking a state mandated test.<br /><br />You "do not have to have a college degree" to check out a book.  You DO have to be highly qualified AND under the supervision of a certified staff member (as is currently done in the school district) to interact with students in the library setting. So, the idea to have classroom teachers supervise their students in the library is already required along with the state requirements.<br /><br />Makes me wonder if the board made this decision without knowing all the facts. I asked the principal in the school I visited what will happen if they cannot find volunteers who fit the criteria that is required by the State of Ohio (because you can be sure parents are going to ask if these volunteers have fulfilled ALL the requirements) and I was told by the principal, "if it doesn't work out then the libraries will be closed".<br /><br />Which leads me to another question....Several years ago I remember there was an issue about volunteers in the buildings needing to pass a background check BEFORE they were allowed to tutor or help in any capacity that involved interacting with students in the school district. Why wasn't that followed thru? I asked a volunteer who was in the building I visited if they had to do that and they laughed and said no and that they were in the building quite frequently but that had never been mentioned.<br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : Ms. Andrews- Cold day out there,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;20&nbsp;2011 at 7:16pm<br /><br />Ms. Andrews- Cold day out there, came home to veggy soup and got warmed up by your post. Don't worry, love my wife but your interest in this site is quite fascinating to me.&nbsp; Stay the course, leaders are hard to find these days.]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : acclaro, if there was any school...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;20&nbsp;2011 at 6:55am<br /><br />acclaro, if there was any school system that needed orderly structure, hard-nosed discipline and a crack down on behavior, it's the Middletown schools, IMO. Because of the sterotypical element that we got when council decided to open the floodgates to low income, Section 8, inundating this town and overwhelming the schools by literally dumping major behavioral issues on the schools, it is an even greater urgency that the schools do anything and everything within the current guidelines, to control the disruptors. The lack of control in the schools by the authorities has festered for too many years and we see the students reacting to the current rules as a joke. There is absolutely no intimidation in the current program whatsoever. In-school suspensions, expulsions, parent/student meetings and counseling.....all proven to be worthless and in-effective or the same behavior would not have continued. It should be somewhere between no nonsense/serious and hell. Instead,it's like candyland.<br /><br />Time to get tough while listening to the parents of the troublemakers whine and cry about how their little angels are being treated. Too bad people. Time to start using the law hauling parents into court, slapping some wallet-hurting fines on the parents, jailing them and taking the kid down to jail for some "tough love" exercises. Time to get military on these people with no forgiveness. Time to start intimidating the problem children again and reverse the current "it's a joke, what do they think they can do to me" attitude. How did we get to the place where the children are intimidating the adults? What in the he-- happened?]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : Vet, MCSD sadly, is NOT Phillips...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;19&nbsp;2011 at 2:45pm<br /><br />Vet, MCSD sadly, is NOT Phillips Academy Andover, where I attended. My father didn't mind his all male education at Wabash. Take note: EdChoice had only schools in Middletown in the entire Butler Cty, participating in the voucher program. I'd definately recommend John XXIII, maybe not quite as strong as when Sister Namcy was there, but still a good prep. Ohio school systems don't focus upon the individual, they focus upon the school rating. Any teacher in the system will openly tell you the number 1 priority is elevating the annual scorecard, the grades, the person as a whole, not even a distant 3rd in prioritzation. With 4 times the vouchers by Kasisch, will that correlate to &gt; 400 students leaving MCSD for JXXIII, others? Probably.&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : You bet, Ms. Andrew, you wouldn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;19&nbsp;2011 at 2:20pm<br /><br />You bet, Ms. Andrew, you wouldn't want to make the Midd. schools into military academies which are role models for behavior/discipline/academics/character building, organization/ living by rules and following directions, now would you? All that discipline and rule following would be a bad thing for the Midd. students to learn, now wouldn't it? C'mon Ms. Andrew....you know as well as I do that most of your chronic and more serious discipline issues occur in the older student populations. Obviously you can't come down on a 3rd grader as hard as you would a junior or senior in high school. Gotta use logic here. The military methods would obviously be too harsh for the younger students, but would apply to the high school problem students in the 17 to 18 age range. They are, after all, closer to military eligibility age, aren't they? They're not angels to be protected and to be cottled are they?<br /><br />2. Thank you for reminding me what the military was all about. Never knew what occured in the military. Guess you did with your extensive background going through basic and all.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> Following orders quickly and without hestitation can occur on the job and in civilian life also, Ms. Andrew. Doesn't always have to be a "battle" scenario to get people to know the rules and to follow orders. The schools are teaching the children to learn a "base fundamental knowledge" and "how to reason and analyze". True.....they better also be telling them what to expect about proper behavior in the workplace and in society along with their parents. Can't just pour book knowledge into them. Gotta teach them the other side of the coin as to proper conduct to succeed in life also. Mold the total person, Ms. Andrew, mold the total person. ]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : Middletown scouter,  The school...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=529">Marcia Andrew</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;19&nbsp;2011 at 2:09pm<br /><br />Middletown scouter,<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The school board hires, evaluates and fires the Superintendent, and the Treasurer, and sets policy goals and direction for the district. Implementation of policy and operation of the district is the responsibility of the Superintendent and the Treasurer and the employees they hire.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We gave the Superintendent direction to balance the budget without a new levy. He engaged in the extensive budget process I have previously described, and brought back to us a recommendation to cut over $5 million, with a broad outline of how those savings would be achieved. We approved his plan.&nbsp; Specific positions to be RIF'd came back to us for a vote. As to library managers, the general answer was the district planned to manage the libraries with volunteers and potentially high school business students. We approved the RIFs and left it to the Superintendent and his staff to work out the details. He wants to include others in the decision as to how specifically it will work, including principals.&nbsp; It may or may not be handled the same in all buildings.&nbsp; Some may have a stronger volunteer base to help than others.&nbsp; I take your point about uniformity, but this is not really the same as&nbsp;fourth grade math, is it? there is not a state standard curriculum for library, nor is there a state test.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools :  Ms Andrew, thank you for the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;19&nbsp;2011 at 2:02pm<br /><br />Ms Andrew, thank you for the info; I have no interest in the properties other than curiousity about future plans by the School Board.&nbsp; Unless, of course, you're willing to part with them for a dollar!!! lol]]>
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   <title>Monroe Schools : JSmith, since you are so knowledgeable...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=529">Marcia Andrew</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3799<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;19&nbsp;2011 at 1:58pm<br /><br />JSmith, since you are so knowledgeable about public school libraries, maybe you should volunteer to help the district devise a&nbsp; plan for managing the school libraries with volunteers. Or, if federal law does in fact require college education to help a child pick a book, the classroom teachers could supervise their own students while they are in the library.]]>
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