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   <title>Health Board Tax levy :  I see that Hermes is a convert...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 7:01pm<br /><br />I see that Hermes is a convert to my "VOTE THEM OUT" campaign although I suspect he held this belief before I posted a word on here. SJ, I believe your suggestion to simply elect candidates for council that will implement the kinds of reform advocated on this board to be the best chance for success. Getting committments from candidates and organizing a coherent campaign that will reach the voters is the challenge as I see it. Based on the apathy of the general electorate in this town and the difficulty of overcoming the deep pockets of the powers that be in this city will not be easy. The next 90 days will be crucial if any serious challenge is to take shape. Let's see what happens!!!]]>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : sj, I agree it would start with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 1:38pm<br /><br />sj, I agree it would start with council as you are absolutely correct, it will be 5 years anf next year, before the&nbsp;tax levy, with the execption of Health, as that may appear in November. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would wholeheartedly support your candidacy, and am certain would others. I believe there would be a profile to be met in any candidate. Another JL, educated, college degree, engaged in city, wants change.&nbsp;You may have some in mind. I know a few who fit the profile,&nbsp;but uncertain if they have the time. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Jim Wendell comes to mind, but have no idea what his interest would be. Ms. Andrew seems&nbsp;to acknowledge the affect of Section 8&nbsp;on the schools, and doesn't mind holding the candle light to that problem and the schools. If she desired, and could handle both roles, I would be a strong advocate for her.&nbsp;We'll see how the re-negotiation goes this summer in the school system. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I have no names that would want to serve, and I have eplored with a few. I suspect the council now, would all support a levy passing with one exception, and that includes ASJ. Back to where its been every year, not certain how many JL's are around Middletown. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : I believe that Council changes...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 1:03pm<br /><br />I believe that Council changes this fall, while any tax levy would be the following year--correct?<DIV>So--by electing the same-thinking new Councilmembers,&nbsp; there would be more support towards softening any levy approach(if possible). Just trying to keep it&nbsp;cheap and simple.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy :   VietVet wrote:Shameful to be...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 12:02pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br />Shameful to be a Republican.......heck, shameful to be any politican on either side.....and......at any level. The entire Washington scene, Columbus scene and Middletown city scene, from a political/voter/citizen standpoint, is disgusting to see, hear and read about. Is there no one in our corner on anything that is important to the people? No one listening to what we want from our governments? Empty promise liars until elected. Ignoring the people after being elected......all of them. Wish we could clean house at all levels. Problem is, the replacements are clones of the trash we took out. No getting away from the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif" border="0" align="middle" />'s we elect and try to replace. All products from the same assembly line.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV><FONT size=2><strong>Vet is right,it is shameful to be either one,Republican or Democrat they are both sorry as* parties and one in the same with the exact same agenda,just different wording.STOP VOTING ALONG PARTY LINES !!! Middeltown and Butler County I know are big time Republicans but it needs to stop !! What has a Republican done for anyone lately ? What has a Democrat done ? Absolutely nothing !! We have had the 2 party dictatorship way to long,people say they want change,they want their cities,counties and country back then stop putting these sorry BAST***S in office ! I don't care if you decide to go with a 3rd party and what party that would be just stop voting Republican &amp; Democrat.</strong></FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : sj, my personal interest and abilities...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 11:25am<br /><br />sj, my personal interest and abilities lie in defeating the levy, and my approach would be to put the strategy and infrastructre to do exactly that---winning at the ballot box.&nbsp;Besides the obvious well knowns we both know, that would be too busy or just not intereested in running, the competent "outsiders" are travelers---tied up in court cases, clients, business, etc. No time to meet twice a month for meetings. Hence, my focus and interest is not as focused as stacking the deck as it is, straggling and starving the beast.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Ms. Andrew mentioned cause and affect- ergo Section 8. Perhaps she would have a vested interest, her husband, others that could be recruited. My take is almost all those whom are practicing in Middletown get swooned and overcome by the "love" downtown that they change their position quickly, adopting the "I workd for the city attitude." </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>To summarize, I could name 100 top folks with the talent to make impact, but would not have time. What don't you run, you'd have support,&nbsp;Ms. Andrew or friend of her philosophical beliefs,&nbsp;clones of J Laubach. Candidly, many I know are plotting to get out of twn right now, and running would be no interest.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Two choices, organize, and defeat levy, or sit on sideline, and watch a 2.0 levy pass, and Middletown continue to crumble. I'd rather see the beast be taken down, and be put on a diet.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : mostly agree---though without...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 10:45am<br /><br />mostly agree---though without Council support, "we" would have NO Admin support or clout.<DIV>In the end, the voters(by choosing a new Council majority focused on a different direction) can change the municipal landscape. I honestly don't see any other realistic way to turn it around in a reasonable time frame. A new Council can quickly change pretty much anything on your laundry list without expense or referendums.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We need representatives in the same vein as Ms.Andrews--willing to have dialogue with the MUSAs and similar un-organized but caring pockets of the community(taxpayers). Currently we have a Council that privately follows this site and related thinking, but publicly denigrates and be-littles the different direction and cost-containments.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>For years(on my own--not really a team player) I have been trying to persuade to run for office those that I think could make a broad and progressive difference. Haven't had much luck. Mr.Smith and Mr.Laubaugh are learning, but have a LONG way to go before they really get it, since they have no real business or financial experience. Mr.Allen and Mayor Mulligan are both cool people, though not pokiticians in the direction we need to make this community whole in direction. Would hope that Ms.Scott-Jones can return--Mr.Becker is probably gone--am OK with Mr.Picard.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I have attended enough library meetings with 5-10 MUSA regulars. Not going anywhere. If you plan on following through with the mentioned intentions, you might need to find a very approachable and broadly respected front man to go along with at least 3 electable candidates(one good one to oppose Mr.Allen--I am working on that). Most here(including myself) have burned too many bridges along the way imo.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So--clarify--what exactly IS the approach being put together above?</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : Vet, I am dead serious and am...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 9:14am<br /><br />Vet, I am dead serious and am willing to meet within a few days notice, to put together a plan of attack, begin fynd raising, to go door to door. I know how the system works in Middletown. First, they exploit the friends of friends, the catholic block (I am one so I know), they leverage the county Republicn party (I know I am one and was offered the number 3 position there which I wasn't interested in the pecking order), then the schools (MUM), then select neighborhoods and the nursing and assisted living homes. We need the lower demographics amd the areas above, getting out people who will vote, but need assistance to vote but the numbers are on the side of the people.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>spiderjohn, four candidates? Impossible. Josh Laubach was a pleasant surprise to me, in my ward, and I DID vote for him. He is a diamond in the rough. Does he have some candidates that reflect his philosophy and style- I don't know. You---yiu would have tremendous support at large. I am out of town each week more than in town, I could not ever make a commitment, and on my days in state, travel to Columbus or Cincinnati.. We certainly do not need another AJ Smith.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Who do you have in mind? In at least two cycles, the only one whom stepped up among many I supported, including&nbsp;Mr. Nagy, who won, was Josh Laubach. MMF will have well known local residents, plucking an Allen out like they did before. And, I don't need a coucil member to pull my NO vote, I do that. That is priority 1, priority 2 takes care of itself, as even existing council would have no choice then but make the tough decisions. Their goal is to keep all downtown happy, our goal should be to take back the town they destroyed.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Agreed or disagreed?&nbsp;;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : Wouldn&amp;#039;t it be much quicker,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 8:57am<br /><br />Wouldn't it be much quicker, cheaper and easier to find four electable new Council candidates for November? <DIV>Without that, little else will be effective.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>FAST CHEAP and EASY</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>jmo</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy :   acclaro wrote:Well then, using...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 6:53am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by acclaro" alt="Originally posted by acclaro" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>acclaro wrote:</strong><br /><br />Well then, using the incredibly words of Todd Beamer, who helped bring down the doomed United jet headed for the White House into a crater in western Pennsylvania, what courage and patriotic sacrifice, "Lets Roll." And I do mean it. Non verba gratis. Action, not words this time around.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Alright then.....what are we gonna do about it this time? Get a flyer constructed and printed to distribute to the people reminding them about the last safety levy, what it did (or didn't do) for us and how it was used? Take important topics discussed here and remind people what they are getting for their money in this city? Tell them about the advantages of consolidation with Butler County on the Health Levy issue? Explain why the city income tax needs to be rolled back to 1.5% from 1.75%? (can't imagine this being a hard sell)<br /><br />Develop a phone number to call for info? <br /><br />List of registered voters in Midd. from Hamilton?<br /><br />Is there a need to get more people registered to offset the city supporter votes? How do we motivate them to register and show up? Need their help, don't we?<br /><br />Mass mailing of the info packet discribed above to registered voter households? Cost?<br /><br />Meeting on who is doing what, where, when? Time ....place?<br /><br />Cost discussion for info packet/flyer mailing?<br /><br />Any distribution issues? Places to leave the info. for the most exposure on getting the info. to the people? <br /><br />Anyone want to take some copies to city hall and distribute? <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />How about some MMF businesses like Cohen Brothers?  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />Billboard costs?<br /><br />Who wants to get a list of people and addresses and personally mail a copy to our friends on council (of send the flyer in as an attachment in an E-mail) and at the city building and those city supporters and big doggies living on Main St. and in the Highlands area?<br /><br /><br />How serious are we here?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Health Board Tax levy : Shameful to be a Republican.......heck,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3800<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 6:32am<br /><br />Shameful to be a Republican.......heck, shameful to be any politican on either side.....and......at any level. The entire Washington scene, Columbus scene and Middletown city scene, from a political/voter/citizen standpoint, is disgusting to see, hear and read about. Is there no one in our corner on anything that is important to the people? No one listening to what we want from our governments? Empty promise liars until elected. Ignoring the people after being elected......all of them. Wish we could clean house at all levels. Problem is, the replacements are clones of the trash we took out. No getting away from the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif" border="0" align="middle" />'s we elect and try to replace. All products from the same assembly line.  ]]>
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