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Subject: 3856
Posted: May 26 2012 at 11:52pm

VietVet,

I agree with you that Middletown has more than it's share of problems but I must disagree with you on the connection that you are making between Section 8 vouchers, poverty, and crime.

You state that, via the Section 8 program, the city has created the poverty and crime problems that we are currently dealing with. However, this is just not factual. Section 8 did not cause the poverty, the poverty within our city was already here and qualified for the Section 8 vouchers. The Section 8 program pays almost $900,000.00 into Middletown's economy each month. Without these subsidies, the less fortunate citizens in our city would have to spend what little they make toward their housing needs instead spending it in our local economy. You state that Middletown's Section 8 program is attracting poverty and crime from neighboring cities like Dayton & Cincinnati. Again, this statement just isn't factual. Middletown's Section 8 program has a "locality preference", which means, for the most part, you can't get a voucher unless you are already a Middletown resident.

With that said, I hope that we can take the steps needed to turn things around for our city. I am all for the current strategy of tearing down what needs to be torn down, to hold banks accountable for all of the vacant homes that they are responsible for, and for making landlords more responsible for the properties that they own & lease. It will take many years to turn things around (even if we do it right), hopefully, during that time, we can improve our poverty levels so that so many aren't reliant upon it to survive. Only time will tell.

]]> Sat, 26 May 2012 23:52:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=33111&title=section-8-rental-testimony#33111 Section 8/Rental Testimony : I have suddenly seen police on... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32720&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32720 Author: tomahawk35
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 22 2012 at 12:04am

I have suddenly seen police on my street just sitting in front of homes. This has not occurred in many years and even I have call the police and was told that they don't have the personnel to spare to watch for speeders. This is nothing but a pr tactic to try and sell their safety levy.
Remember,according to State law this type of levy doesn't have to be spent on police or fire dept, of course we have already seen this scam. OuchOuch
]]> Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:04:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32720&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32720 Section 8/Rental Testimony : vET...YOU ARE RIGHT. LETS MAKE... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32713&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32713 Author: acclaro
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 12:15pm

vET...YOU ARE RIGHT. LETS MAKE THIS JEFF FOXWORTHEISE.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A TAX LEVY IN MIDDLETOWN WHEN THE JOURNAL PRINTS INFORMATION AS TO HOW CRIME HAS RISEN AND SOMEONE ON CITY COUNCIL STATES ITS ALL ABOUT MANPOWER.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A  TAX LEVY IN MIDDLETOWN WHEN YOU SEE THE MIDDLETOWN STREET SWEEPER SWEEOPING THE CRUMBLING ASPHALT UP ON YOUR CUL DE SAC.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A TAX LEVY WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BRINGS OUT EVERY VEHICLE IN THEIR ARSENAL TO SHOW THE WORLD, THEY ARE PREPARED TO MAKE RUNS FOR ALL THE OLD FOLKS, THE 75% THAT MAKE UP MIDDLETOWN'S POPULATION, 65 AND OLDER, TO THE HOSPITAL.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A TAX LEVY WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TURNS ON ITS FLASHING LIGHTS AND SIRENS TO MAKE THEIR RUNS TO THE ATRIUM FOR A MINOR ISSUE, TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS, THEY ARE INDISPENSIBLE.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A TAX LEVY WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SEE A POLICE CRUISER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAKING ROUNDS, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A YEAR.

YOU KNOW THERE IS A TAX LEVY WHEN ALL THE BUZZ BY CITY COUNCIL IS ON CINCINNATI STATE, AND WHAT YOU SEE IS NOTHING BUT FOR LEASE SIGNS ON BREIEL BLVD

YOU KNOW THERE US A TAX LEVY WHEN YOU SEE FOR SALE SIGNS POPPING ALL OVER IN EVERY MAJOR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY.
    ]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:15:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32713&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32713 Section 8/Rental Testimony : acclaro wrote:No...you got... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32712&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32712 Author: VietVet
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 10:31am

Originally posted by acclaro acclaro wrote:

No...you got it wrong Vet IMO.All the Journal and Mayor Mulligan are doing are tethering it together so they can show minor crime is up, and use it as a selling pt for an unjustified tax levy attempted to be hammered through in August. Its about the levy, not about the non-sensical notion Dayton and Cincinnati meet in Middletown.In fact, isn't that what the housing and commercial development market was supposed to do---15 years ago and counting?. 



I was referring to the levy when I started my post by saying....

"And again, to re-enforce the topic of too much Section 8 in town......today's Journal follow-up.....(this story is also a plug to entice you to support their safety levy by the mention of the lack of manpower on the street to combat this increase in crime)"

You know, when the crime crap starts and the "we're hurting for manpower" theme is unleashed, it's levy time.......Imagine that......right before the levy push to justify their need for our money. It is so blatantly apparent and a repetitive tactic used. It is also apparent that they could care less about the amount of crime in this town or they wouldn't bring their "let's create a ghetto" mentality to the table. Ya can't intentionally invite the problem to the city and then whine and cry at levy time how the crime is running rampant. Kinda takes the credibility out of the need for your levy passage. The only sad part about this is that there will be some people who actually believe their nonsense and will vote for this cluster.

]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:31:49 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32712&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32712 Section 8/Rental Testimony : Journal should have followed up... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32711&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32711 Author: Bill
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 9:47am

Journal should have followed up the Mayor's comments with a comment from the Lt. about his opinion on if the vast majority of criminals are mid to long-term Middletown residents or interlopers from out of town. That would have been interesting.]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:47:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32711&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32711 Section 8/Rental Testimony : "Serious crime in... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32710&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32710 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 7:46am

"Serious crime in Middletown hits six-year high"

No word yet on how City Hall will try to seek retribution against The Journal for violating the City's "good news only" policy.
 
DesiSmileys.com
]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:46:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32710&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32710 Section 8/Rental Testimony : No...you got it wrong Vet IMO.All... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32709&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32709 Author: acclaro
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 7:43am

No...you got it wrong Vet IMO.

All the Journal and Mayor Mulligan are doing are tethering it together so they can show minor crime is up, and use it as a selling pt for an unjustified tax levy attempted to be hammered through in August. Its about the levy, not about the non-sensical notion Dayton and Cincinnati meet in Middletown.

In fact, isn't that what the housing and commercial development market was supposed to do---15 years ago and counting?. 
]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:43:35 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32709&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32709 Section 8/Rental Testimony : more jobs= less crimemore... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32707&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32707 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 7:39am

more jobs = less crime
more profitable constructive businesses = less crime
better school performance = less crime
better local government = less crime
citizen trust in local government = less crime
 
imported poverty = more crime
little living wage employment = more crime
lack of discipline in schools = more crime
high % of vacant and rental properties = more crime
high % of govt.subsidiies = more crime
local government denial of crime increase = more crime
 
crime rate has dropped in surrounding communities and nationally
up 8%(reported) here
hmmmm...........
]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:39:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32707&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32707 Section 8/Rental Testimony : And again, to re-enforce the topic... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32706&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32706 Author: VietVet
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 20 2012 at 6:41am

And again, to re-enforce the topic of too much Section 8 in town......today's Journal follow-up.....(this story is also a plug to entice you to support their safety levy by the mention of the lack of manpower on the street to combat this increase in crime)

Serious crime in Middletown hits six-year high

MIDDLETOWN — Serious crimes reported in Middletown reached a six-year high last year, bucking a trend that shows rates going down in the state and nationally.

Police records examined by the Middletown Journal show 4,733 crimes were reported in 2011, an 8 percent increase compared to the previous year.

City officials said they are concerned with the high rate, but economic issues have forced the police department to reduce the number of officers on the streets

Police Lt. Scott Reeve said there are any number of factors impacting crime in the city, not the least of which is the economy has squeezed the city so tightly, they have lost 17 sworn officers and a total of 34 department employees since 2000.

He said as many big employers have left the city jobs have been lost and poverty is prevalent.

“While every community should take care of their needy, we ended up with a situation where our community was taking care of a disproportionate number of needy people,” he said. “Unfortunately a high number of needy people find themselves in that position because of poor life decisions. Their children tend to follow the same path and our schools end up in academic distress and our crime rate goes up.”

IMAGINE THAT.....THE CITY CREATES THE LOW INCOME/POVERTY SCENARIO AND THE LT. COMMENTS THAT THAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS PROBLEM...

NOW HERE'S THE KICKER FROM MULLIGAN.......

Mayor Larry Mulligan said he doesn’t think people should be afraid to live to Middletown.

“It’s a challenge, public safety is an important priority,” he said. “I know we’re working to get more people on the streets, but it’s a challenge with the budget cuts we were forced to make.”

He said it also might be due to migrating criminals from Dayton and Cincinnati because those cities have stepped up their police presence, he said.

“Much like a water balloon, you squeeze it and the water has to go someplace, it might be coming up the road to Middletown,” he said. “Or from Montgomery County, that’s the challenge of being in the middle


WELL, LET'S SEE LAR BABES. YOU BRING A PROGRAM INTO TOWN THAT ATTRACTS THE POVERTY AND THE FRIENDS OF POVERTY. THE PROGRAM ENTICES BAD PEOPLE TO DO CRIME IN OUR CITY. EVERYTHING YOU AND THE OTHERS ON COUNCIL HAVE DONE, HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR BY ATTRACTING THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT FROM DAYTON AND CINCY. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT? WE SEE THE PROBLEM AND IT IS YOU. IF YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF POLICE ON THE STREET ALL THIS TIME. WHY WOULD YOU SIGN ON TO A PROGRAM THAT WAS GOING TO PLACE MORE CRIME ON THE STREETS? YOU HAVE CUT YOUR OWN THROAT.

Middletown appears to be an anomaly in Butler County, according an examination by the Middletown Journal. Hamilton, Butler County and state statistics all show crime, or at least criminal court cases, have been steadily dropping.

Hamilton police statistics show the number of arrests dropped 13 percent between 2010 and 2011 and violent crimes — murder, rape, robbery and crimes of that type — have decreased 7 percent since 2007, according to Hamilton Police Captain Steve Poulemanos

HMM, LET'S SEE. LESS POVERTY, LESS SECTION 8, EQUALS LESS OF AN INVITATION TO ATTRACT THE CRIMINALS FROM OTHER TOWNS AND YOU GET LOWER RATES OF CRIME. MIDDLETOWN IS THE ONLY CITY IN BUTLER COUNTY THAT HAS A CRIME RATE INCREASE. MIDDLETOWN IS THE ONLY CITY IN BUTLER COUNTY THAT HAS MORE THAN THEIR SHARE OF SECTION 8 AND PUTS OUT THE WELCOME MAT FOR THIS ELEMENT OF SOCIETY. NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT, IS IT? GET RID OF THE OVERABUNDANCE OF SECTION 8 AND THE DAM CRIME WILL DECREASE AS THERE WILL LESS REASONS FOR BAD PEOPLE TO VISIT OUR CITY.

MERCY!

]]> Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:41:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32706&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32706 Section 8/Rental Testimony : What are you all bitchin'... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3856&PID=32705&title=section-8-rental-testimony#32705 Author: Pacman
Subject: 3856
Posted: Apr 19 2012 at 10:01pm

What are you all bitchin' about?
In june of 2010 at a council members meeting (which I believe was Anita Scott Jones), it was stated that by summer 2011 we would see a significate decrease in the number of section 8 vouchers in Middletown.  Here it is approching Summer 2012 and it looks like the city may have bagged one hooray.

PacmanCool
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