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Middletown Forum : SB 5 Petition Signatures http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Middletown News, Info and Happenings : SB 5 Petition Signatures Wed, 07 Oct 2026 03:40:52 +0000 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:27:42 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3980 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ SB 5 Petition Signatures : Mike_Presta wrote:Holy cow!!!... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29959&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29959 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Sep 29 2011 at 6:27am

Mike_Presta wrote:

Holy cow!!!

Did I just read VietVet defending the REPUBLICANS about 15 or so post up above???

Politics certainly DO make strange bedfellows!!!

Yep....I'm all for leveling the playing field between union and non-union shops and if this bill does that, then I'm all for it. Tired of paying into a fund through my payroll taxes that help finance public union workers who pay less into their bennies/retirement than I do and have as good of a benny package as I do. I gotta help my employer with costs by paying part of my premiums at work and some of their's too? Bullsh--! The old bring home pay in the old check looks a little more skimpy these days. Wonder what their's looks like in comparison? Ain't nobody looking out for the non-union worker. Never has been. ]]> Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:27:42 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29959&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29959 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Holy cow!!! Did I just read... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29955&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29955 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Sep 28 2011 at 10:57pm

Holy cow!!!

Did I just read VietVet defending the REPUBLICANS about 15 or so post up above???

Politics certainly DO make strange bedfellows!!!

]]> Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:57:55 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29955&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29955 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Vet,I would have hoped that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29802&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29802 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Sep 21 2011 at 8:29am

Vet,

I would have hoped that our elected officials and the people who negotiate with the public employees unions would provide those checks. Based on the competence with which the city has pursued the Cincy State deal, it's a wonder that they don't have even better benefits!!!

]]> Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:29:55 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29802&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29802 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Today's Journal.... SB5:... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29797&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29797 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Sep 21 2011 at 6:36am

Today's Journal....

SB5: Trust big issue between unions, governments
Cities, unions wary of each other as they await a decision by voters

David Lippert, president of Hamilton Caster, said whatever happens with the referendum on SB 5, the public will see increased costs, decreased services, or both.

“It’s a question of balance,” he said. “Everyone gets impacted. If an entity goes broke, that will impact the community negatively. If there’s a cutback in services or if costs go out of sight, that will be a negative impact.”

Lippert, whose company has unionized employees, said in the public sector, there is a check on costs because he can only sell his product for what the market will bear.

“There doesn’t seem to be much of a check on the costs of public employees,” he said.

Lippert said there needs to be better checks on the benefits that public employees receive in terms of wages, step increases, vacation and sick time as well as with the binding arbitration provisions.

TONYB- LIPPERT'S COMMENT BELOW IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY IN ALL OF MY POSTS.

“From everything I’ve read, public employees in general are pretty well compensated compared to their private sector counterparts,” he said
]]> Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:36:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29797&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29797 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Both parties claim they have the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29792&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29792 Author: gemneye70
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Posted: Sep 20 2011 at 2:06pm

Both parties claim they have the interests of the "common" man at heart, but they are both beholden to special interests, and say f**k everyone else any chance they get. Neither side is willing to actually work together to fix our nation's problems, and there are many, or to make tough decisions because it will cost them votes.

I think there is enough blame to go around without oversimplyfying things and blaming everything on 1 or 2 institutions alone, i.e., unions, banks. We have messed things up together, we need to make it right again together. Country before party, not the other way around.

]]> Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:06:51 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29792&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29792 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Bocephus wrote: middletownscouter... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29781&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29781 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 9:34pm

Bocephus wrote:

middletownscouter wrote:

Bocephus, which middle class jobs are being stolen away from Americans by illegal immigrants?

Millions of illegal immigrants in this Country willing to work for lower wages lowers working men and womens ability to earn a liveable wage.Once they gain legal (status which is what this administration wants to grant them) then they can compete even more with American citizens for jobs not to mention the 150,000 or so a month of legal immigrants that come here every month for jobs I wonder where they all work at?when millions of Americans are unemployed? So lets see hmmm...Maybe by flooding our economy with cheaper foreign labor? Hope that answers your question.

Truer words were never spoken Bo, particularly in Tucson Arizona. We moved there in 2004-2005. I searched for a decent paying job ($15-$20/hour) with benefits for 8 months before giving up and we came back to Ohio. What we found was that the illegals (and legals) were willing to work long hard hours for less pay than the American worker. The employer knew this and knew that they could hire legals (and illegals) at a lesser pay rate, didn't have to provide benefits, thereby not having to incur the cost of the premium coverage. This whole scenario drove down the wages and started a trend whereby employers stopped offering paid benefits. If you wanted medical coverage, they offered it, but you paid for it, if you could with the lousy hourly rate paid. If you opted to accept the wages offered to the legals/illegals, you couldn't afford the cost of living in Tucson. Only a small number of places to work that provided both.....U.of Arizona Medical Research Center, the hospitals, and Ratheon and you had a snowball's chance in hell getting into one of those places. The majority were low paying service jobs paying in the $6 to $10/hour range and no bennies. Bottom line....illegals do drive down wages, resulting in poor selection of decent jobs in an area and employers take advantage of the situation....for sure in Tucson. ]]> Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:34:04 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29781&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29781 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Mr. Nagy,I believe it was... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29780&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29780 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 8:49pm

Mr. Nagy,

I believe it was M29's question. You are correct that it is extremely relevant. Illegal immigration is a serious crime that deprive ordinary Americans of the rights of citizenship. When Americans don't have jobs it seems unconscionable to me to allow employment by those not legally here. The real point is that if we are going to be a country that enforces its laws and borders, allowing amnesty to lawbreakers is not the message that America should be sending.

]]> Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:49:05 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29780&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29780 SB 5 Petition Signatures : TonyB, It seems that the discussion... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29778&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29778 Author: Paul Nagy
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Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 8:33pm

TonyB,

It seems that the discussion has gotten sidetracked from SB5 to Illegal Immigrants to middle class jobs and they are all entirely different issues with a little overlapping (imo). However, I think the discussion is worthwhile. To answer your question, "What current middle class job has been taken over by illegal immigrants?" I would name a few but they overlap with low income jobs in some areas also. How about those that are doing carpentry, asphalt driveways, siding and roofing. Those are middle class jobs aren't they?

Thanks for the posts. I think this discussion is relevant in light of the present political issues.

]]> Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:33:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29778&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29778 SB 5 Petition Signatures : middletownscouter wrote: ... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29777&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29777 Author: Bocephus
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Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 8:06pm

middletownscouter wrote:

Bocephus wrote:

middletownscouter wrote:

Bocephus, which middle class jobs are being stolen away from Americans by illegal immigrants?

I think I answered your question you can view it how ever you like

]]> Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:06:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29777&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29777 SB 5 Petition Signatures : Bocephus wrote: middletownscouter... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29770&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29770 Author: middletownscouter
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Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 4:22pm

Bocephus wrote:

middletownscouter wrote:

Bocephus, which middle class jobs are being stolen away from Americans by illegal immigrants?

No, it really doesn't answer the question at all. Lots of words but I must have missed the part where you actually answered my question. What current middle class job has been taken over by illegal immigrants?]]> Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:22:05 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3980&PID=29770&title=sb-5-petition-signatures#29770