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Middletown Forum : Ohio Drug Test http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : News, Info and Happenings outside Middletown : Ohio Drug Test Mon, 05 Oct 2026 14:42:35 +0000 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:20:51 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4087 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Ohio Drug Test : Eleven,Evidently, you DO need... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29686&title=ohio-drug-test#29686 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 12:20pm

Eleven,

Evidently, you DO need a refresher course. If drugs are illegal, then asking them for a drug test is incrimination. You're asking them to provide evidence against themselves. If they are doing drugs, then they need to be arrested. Then they can be "assisted" while they are in jail.

The "slippery slope" argument here happens to be the point of contention. Once you start violating civil rights, where does it end? No one followed you out to the parking lot, did they? If they start doing that, what's to stop them requiring everything else.

]]> Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:20:51 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29686&title=ohio-drug-test#29686 Ohio Drug Test : Perhaps TonyB's point of... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29685&title=ohio-drug-test#29685 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 12:18pm

Perhaps TonyB's point of self-incrimination for the purpose of receiving assistance would be a moot point if we could do a surprise audit of the home of the recipient of the assistance to verify the real need and immediately remove said recipient from receiving the taxpayer handouts if found to be in violation of the program. IMO, people who receive taxpayer assistance money, and are in violation, have, in this situation, given up all civil liberties and have no rights. It would not be a debate if we could see the real intent of some of these people. More "kinder/gentler" crap from the bleeding hearts helping out the "one's in need", resulting in con games from some of the participants.

Government intrusion in your life can't be a good thing because everything the government touches turns into a cluster.... , no matter what the level.
]]> Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:18:34 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29685&title=ohio-drug-test#29685 Ohio Drug Test : I don't need a refresher... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29684&title=ohio-drug-test#29684 Author: Eleven
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Posted: Sep 14 2011 at 11:24am

I don't need a refresher course TonyB. Please tell me how free housing and food is covered under civil liberties. I'm not trying to compel someone to incriminate theirselves as a condition of assistance. I'm asking to weed out the people who "would" incriminate themselves while using assistance. And my point IS... you cannot debate or discuss issues with people who pull out the slippery slope argument.

IE: I make the statement about people following me into the parking lot to make sure I put my sticker on correctly and you counter with this -- "How about we put a tracker in your car and charge you with a crime if you drive anywhere but to work and back home?"

@ Bocephus... I agree. Not only do I know some honest men, I have also ran across these people also..

]]> Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:24:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29684&title=ohio-drug-test#29684 Ohio Drug Test : Eleven, I guess you need a refresher... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29617&title=ohio-drug-test#29617 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Sep 10 2011 at 9:25am

Eleven, I guess you need a refresher course on civil liberties. If you'll note on my post to Viet Vet, what was written and has been so far upheld in court, is that you cannot compel someone to incriminate themselves as a condition of assistance. As for proving your point... what exactly IS your point that I'm somehow proving?]]> Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:25:59 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29617&title=ohio-drug-test#29617 Ohio Drug Test : middletownscouter wrote:I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29609&title=ohio-drug-test#29609 Author: Bocephus
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Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 7:55pm

middletownscouter wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with your assessment that most people on public assistance programs are "people that can work and choose not too." Do you happen to have any actual statistics on this you could share?

If it is true I would agree with you but I believe that far more of the people on public assistance are those that are either unable to work or unable to find adequate employment to support themselves or their families.

I don't have names but I would say that 80 or 90% of the people I know on public assistance could work if they had to.Its sickening to watch them sit outside all summer long drinking beer and grilling out,having drunken fights and to hear them laughing about the freebies that are coming up for them.And if a working person has a bit of bad luck just because they actualy work and have an income it disqualifies them from any help at all.Although there are lots of honest people getting public assistances the abusers make the system stink.

]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 19:55:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29609&title=ohio-drug-test#29609 Ohio Drug Test : Sorry, my bad, I didn't realize... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29607&title=ohio-drug-test#29607 Author: Eleven
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Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 6:11pm

Sorry, my bad, I didn't realize free food and housing was recognized under "civil liberties"

And you prove my point again... So now they are gonna put a tracker on my car??

]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 18:11:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29607&title=ohio-drug-test#29607 Ohio Drug Test : We walked out of the Clinton years... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29606&title=ohio-drug-test#29606 Author: ground swat
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Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 6:10pm

We walked out of the Clinton years in the black(so they say). We are now in the RED, what do we do NOW!!!! Civil liberties could be taken away? Forcing people to strap themselves in so they don't end up on the hood of their car is a right I wish I still had but it's worked out for the best. People shooting up herion(which or local law enforcement says is on the rise) while getting a check from the Taxpayers I don't get it. You don't want them in your life but they damn well better be there to HELP those in NEED. ]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 18:10:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29606&title=ohio-drug-test#29606 Ohio Drug Test : Eleven - don't feel bad for... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29603&title=ohio-drug-test#29603 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 5:28pm

Eleven - don't feel bad for me, sorry it saddens you so. Name those 3 honest men that you know. I don't know you either.

The "slippery slope" argument here is that once you give up civil liberties, you set the precedent for government to take all liberties. How about we put a tracker in your car and charge you with a crime if you drive anywhere but to work and back home? How about we take your health insurance when you eat fatty meat and processed foods?

I don't feel like you should have to do anything. That's on you. I don't have the time or the interest to monitor the behavior of others. I have plenty to do in monitoring my own behavior. And while we're on that, just how much of your taxes do you think go to feeding anyone else? More of your tax dollars go to pay the interest on the Federal debt than will ever be spent feeding anyone!

]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:28:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29603&title=ohio-drug-test#29603 Ohio Drug Test : TonyB- Ahhh, Thank you. I love... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29601&title=ohio-drug-test#29601 Author: Eleven
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Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 4:30pm

TonyB- Ahhh, Thank you. I love it when someone debates with "It's a slippery slope". LOL Pretty much ends the discussion there bc I could counter with anything. " Ahhh, they want me to tag and license my car now watch out, they're gonna want to follow me out to the parking lot to make sure I affix them properly to my vehicle"

I just don't understand why you feel I should have to go to work to put a roof over someones head and feed them without any concessions on their part. Personally, I'd also like to have an automated call system in place to call everyone of them at 6am, when I have to get up, to make sure they're up and ready to go look for ways to help themselves... (sarcasim)

And I truly feel bad for you if you can't name 1 honest man you know. I know 3 that immediately comes to my mind. That really does sadden me and I don't even know you.]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29601&title=ohio-drug-test#29601 Ohio Drug Test : I don't necessarily agree... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29599&title=ohio-drug-test#29599 Author: middletownscouter
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Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 2:37pm

I don't necessarily agree with your assessment that most people on public assistance programs are "people that can work and choose not too." Do you happen to have any actual statistics on this you could share?

If it is true I would agree with you but I believe that far more of the people on public assistance are those that are either unable to work or unable to find adequate employment to support themselves or their families.]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:37:28 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4087&PID=29599&title=ohio-drug-test#29599