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   <title>A dire warning : No intent to make Mr. Moore answer...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;16&nbsp;2011 at 10:27pm<br /><br />No intent to make Mr. Moore&nbsp; answer a trick question or look silly.&nbsp; Just interested in his&nbsp;non-political view of the direction this city is heading.]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : This so called master Plan would...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;16&nbsp;2011 at 8:05pm<br /><br />This so called master Plan would not earn a passing grade in a planning graduate program in urban planning or an MBA program in marketing. The answer is in the chapter dealing with economic development and its so macro oriented, this is nothing but a Mission statement throughout. That's how the Cincinnati State was "formulated".<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/planning/masterplan.html" target="_blank">http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/planning/masterplan.html</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : Are we out of the &amp;#034;City is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;16&nbsp;2011 at 6:00pm<br /><br /><P>Are we out of the "City is dying" scenario yet?&nbsp; Please clarify.&nbsp; Are you comfortable that our current city manager is meeting or exceeding&nbsp;thier job description?&nbsp; Please clarify.&nbsp; Please clarify your vision for increasing revenues that will benefit the city and small business owners.&nbsp; If it's already part of the "Master Plan" that was created, &nbsp;please just tell me the page number.&nbsp; Thanks</P>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : Everyone, Thanks for your questions....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=894">etmoore</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;16&nbsp;2011 at 1:09pm<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT face=Calibri>Everyone,</P><DIV>Thanks for your questions.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>You have given me a great deal to consider.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>If anyone else would like to ask questions post them soon.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I’ll post responses within the next few days.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your remarks.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT face=Calibri><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Thanks, </DIV><DIV></DIV><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=left>Todd Moore </P><DIV></DIV><strong>votetoddmoore.com </strong><DIV></DIV><strong>facebook.com/votetoddmoore</strong></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning :     What about an &amp;#034;Art...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;16&nbsp;2011 at 7:03am<br /><br />What about an "Art tax", specifically in the area formerly known as downtown?<div>And/or small admission fee to first Fridays?</div><div>Anyone splurging on the expensive items in this publicly-subsidized area surely can afford an extra few % to help pay for these projects.</div><div>An additional 1% or greater sales tax on purchases?</div><div>An "event tax/charge" for banquets/meetings held in these subsidized buildings--by the head count or size of the event?</div><div>An additional fee for those using the taxpayer-owned former bank structures/Masonic or the Manchester?</div><div>Events at Smith Park and Governor's Square?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>A building usage fee/tax for those using city-owned or purchased/sold properties?</div><div>An additional charge for property owners enjoying the more expensive decorative street lighting?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Come on--you have to pay to play in today's world(at least in most places).</div><div>If you want something extra, the user pays extra.</div><div>Those not reaping the extra benefit don't pay or pay far less.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Airport sur-charches--golf course sur-charges etc.</div><div>User fees are obviously most fair.</div><div>Since the city wants to fee the rest of us for virtually everything, maybe we can apply the concept to our most expensive ventures.</div><div>Pretty simple.</div>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : I also would donate for the mailing....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=190">tomahawk35</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 10:53pm<br /><br />I also would donate for the mailing. ]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : Neil, I take comfort in knowing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 9:04pm<br /><br />Neil, I take comfort in knowing you occasionally find my opinion to be accurate. Lebanon, Franklin, and Monroe are hardly "new" cities, both quite historic with both being founded before the state in 1803, yet both have low tax rates, 1.5% I believe. Middletown's only hope for luring any business in, other thn the "baby step" initiative with State, is with abatements, competitive with other "greenfield" areas you state, or through bringing in non profits, which is where Middletown focuses so much energy, which don't pay property tax.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I dsiagree respectfully on the "greenfield" advantage, that is a feeble excuse to argue Middletown's problems are attributed to its inability to be attractive to industry in a mixed portfolio development sense, because it was old industry, industrial, and there was just no space. hardly true in the city which has&nbsp;property and buildings available and has for many years. I surely don't see an explosion out by the Renaissance, on the scale of the Teradata/ Kohl exit&nbsp;near Miamisburg and Springboro where CS&amp;H are moving. What's not attracting those to the east end "greenspace" when the building model is "green"?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The point to be made was every council member and city leader wants Middletown's taxes to be 2.25%, which will put Middletown in the class of Youngstown, Mansfield, and the final death nail. The question poised to Mr. Moore and other candiates, was: are they on board with MMF's agenda to raise taxes, to make this area into Youngstown and Detroit, or lower the rate?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Middletown is not attracting growth in business nor newer residents. That is the tipping point of this election in 2011. You cannot have a bedroom community and taxes at 2.0%, you cannot have a mixed community of bedroom residential and business, at 2% taxation. Lower taxes mean growth. Take note of how many millionaires are leaving New York City because of taxes, and Chicagoland, (Illinois in general). Higher taxation, correlation direct- loss of tax revenue, loss of population, outflux, not influx.&nbsp;.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : Has anyone worked with the city...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 8:35pm<br /><br />Has anyone worked with the city or state on a project?&nbsp; You get a great view of work habit.&nbsp; Those that write the checks and those that spend them.&nbsp; NO words can cure this illness.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : While you usually make some sense...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=645">Neil Barille</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 4:33pm<br /><br />While you usually make some sense acclaro, your evaluation of cities and their tax rate is misleading.&nbsp; The affluent suburbs thrive largely because they were once greenspace near a population center and the housing boom brought affluent families, then in turn good schools and higher end amenities and stores, then some corporate office development, and then more families, etc.&nbsp; They could keep the tax rate low because&nbsp;the growth, based on sheer luck of greenspace and proximity to a major city,&nbsp;made it possible.&nbsp;<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Aging urban cities have none of the above characteristics or advantages....at least not in the last 40 years they haven't.&nbsp; So they keep tax rates at 1.75 or 2.0 to simply survive and provide a subsistence level of police/fire plus throw in a few street sweeps, pothole fillers, and of course&nbsp;5-10 overpaid admin.&nbsp; If they went to 1.0% the Mtowns, Mansfields&nbsp;and Y'towns would have something approaching anarchy with 20-30 cops patroling a whole town and someone&nbsp;just out of college&nbsp;playing role of City Mgr.&nbsp;for $70k.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Do you think a drastic reduction in our rate would cause business to flock here?&nbsp; I doubt it.&nbsp; Just like I doubt AK's leaving was PRIMARILY a tax rate issue. Your point is to try to establish causation, like Clinton-lovers did in mid to late 90's with the economy, and say that low&nbsp;taxes = success.&nbsp; Not so fast my friend.&nbsp; Just because Steelers, Patriots and Packers&nbsp;play in cold weather and win Super Bowls does not mean the two criteria are necessarily related.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Should our rate go to 2.0 or 2.2?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; But I also think 1.0 would be disastrous.&nbsp; But maybe you, like many GOP'ers in the deficit talks, are looking to "starve the beast", results be damned.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>A dire warning : Mr. Moore, I took the time to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4125<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;15&nbsp;2011 at 3:16pm<br /><br />Mr. Moore, I took the time to review your website and was impressed with your academic background and focus upon Habitat for huamnity, volunteer work, et al. I suppose you are one I assume from your&nbsp;web evaluation, you believe taxes need to be lowered in Middletown, to perhaps 1%, not increased to 2.25%, as Larry Mulligan, Dan Picard, and about every current council member supports, and city leadership, with the exception of Mr. Laubach. Can you provide specifics about position on the reversal of the tax ordinance, such as getting dedicated funds back to where they were in 1986, that no council member has touched since that period, why the city staff has grown since 1986, while revenues have shrunk, on a relevant (net present value) CPI basis at city hall? Do you support outsourcing certain departments---if so- WHY? if not---WHY NOT?<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I know of no city in Ohio with taxes at 2.0% or above, that has a thriving economy and a growing&nbsp;population base, these include Hamilton, Youngstown, the dying "dogs" within Ohio, while the "stars" such as Mason and West Chester (with o% tax or 1%) accelerate in grwth and performance in all areas.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As you deal with economic restructuring and counseling, I would assume you agree section 8 and its use to mitigate hosuing stock, leads to other inherent problems which undue any advantage associated with its growth in Middletown, other than providing a paycheck for the Community and Stabilization Development Department&nbsp;. You are spot on with your point of the excess amount for utilities Middletown "hammers" its citizens, ergo, sewer, water, etc.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Very nice web presentation, strong on issues, a most credible candidate from my reading.&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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