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   <title>Peru v. Middletown : Very interesting comparison. Thanks...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">John Beagle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4144<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;02&nbsp;2011 at 4:07pm<br /><br />Very interesting comparison. Thanks for sharing. <br /><br />]]>
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   <title>Peru v. Middletown : Would it be safe to say, by the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4144<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;01&nbsp;2011 at 7:55am<br /><br />Would it be safe to say, by the time one were to look out on a planning horizon of 5 years, that the purchase of the building for Cincinnati State, attorney fees (Pratt), moth-balling at $75 Kk-$100 Kk per annum, will look like this:<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Capital Expense/Outlay on buildings:</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>$375,000</DIV><DIV>$350,000 (moth balling times 5 years, difficult to see this being a one time expense)</DIV><DIV>Attorney fees- $150,000 (to date what- $70,000 to Pratt?)</DIV><DIV>$30,000- Miscellaneous- parades, celebrations, security</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><U>Total: &gt; $900,000- $1,000,000.</U></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Receiveables</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>HEP- $250,000 (maybe high)</DIV><DIV>- $50,000 (tax payroll benefits) conservatively high</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><U>TOTAL:&nbsp; $300,000</U></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>NET GAIN/ LOSS (5 Years)-</strong> <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>&gt;- &nbsp;$700,000</FONT></strong>.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Of course, the moniker will be the "intangible effect", maybe $1,000 in court costs/ fines, 10 houses depleted by purchase, fast food, gas, etc- $50,000.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The city will have a study completed by UC Revitalization which will say&nbsp;intangible benefit: <strong><U>$50,000,000</U></strong>, paid at a cost of $50,000.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>HEP and C State will determine success/ failure on HEP's investment.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Peru v. Middletown : Richard, I see your point. A country...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4144<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;01&nbsp;2011 at 7:38am<br /><br />Richard, I see your point. A country is not a city, but touche on comparision of fish, poverty. But one thing you did not refernce: Middletown also has more ostrich's aka residents accepting the continued dummy down, all with head in sand. But, that might be contrued a negative in comparison as well]]>
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   <title>Peru v. Middletown : So I guess they wouldn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4144<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;01&nbsp;2011 at 7:21am<br /><br />So I guess they&nbsp; wouldn't want to trade for our city manager. What about some money with that trade out of the downtown fund! ]]>
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   <title>Peru v. Middletown : RichardYouhit the nail on the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4144<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;01&nbsp;2011 at 6:48am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 5pt 0.75pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Richard<BR>You&nbsp;hit the nail on the head this morning <img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" height="17" width="23" border="0" alt="Thumbs%20Up" /><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Peru v. Middletown : Quite interesting, the story in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=640">Richard Saunders</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4144<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;01&nbsp;2011 at 4:12am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><FONT size=3>Quite interesting, the story in the Middletown Journal about MidFest and the featured country, Peru.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I, for one, did not realize how much more prosperous and advanced both socially and economically Peru was than their host, Middletown.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><FONT size=3>Consider these outtakes from the newspaper story: <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">He said Peru’s new government hopes to improve “social inclusion” by eliminating poverty and providing tools to residents to make themselves self-sufficient; improve “public safety” while reducing drug trafficking; and “promoting private investments.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT size=3>Contrast that with Middletown’s recent constant efforts to promulgate poverty and provide tools to keep residents dependent with their increasing Section 8 program; decrease public safety by downsizing police and fire departments; and hindering private investment by picking certain ventures to subsidize, thereby guaranteeing that no non-subsidized private venture will be able to compete.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Almost 7 percent of its residents are unemployed, and 31.3 percent — down from 54 percent — are living at or below poverty levels.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT size=3>Quite a contrast here with Middletown, where unemployment is close to 10%, and over 50% are living at or near poverty levels according to Mr. Adkins.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">He described Peru’s economy as the “fastest growing” in the world, and said “we are doing very, very well.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT size=3>Another sad contrast here, where our economy is miserably stagnant, and we are one of the “fastest dying cities in the country.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>We aren’t doing well at all, except when viewed through the eyes of our mayor and some of his rose-colored-glasses-wearing cheerleaders.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Peru’s public debt, he said, is steadily falling and there’s an “open trade and market.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT size=3>Good for them, but Middletown’s public debt is steadily rising, according to the impartial, independent CPA that Ms. Gilleland brought in to report to City Council last month.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And it will only get worse in the foreseeable future unless changes are made quickly, but we keep spending like drunken sailors on every frivolous, expensive screwball idea that the mayor’s friends and relatives dream up.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And forget “open trade and market” in our city.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>City hall picks the players that they deem marketable, and keeps all others out. <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">He said Peru is home to one of the “richest seas in the world,” one that produces 900 million tons of fish annually. As he said to the laughing audience: “That’s lots of fish.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; : white; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT size=3>Ah, at least we keep up with Peru on this one.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>There’s a lot here in Middletown that smells fishy, too.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>]]>
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