Middletown Forum : New School Facilities Proposal http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : School Tax Issues : New School Facilities Proposal Mon, 05 Oct 2026 15:07:46 +0000 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:08:13 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4184 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ New School Facilities Proposal : The downtown effort is solely... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32789&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32789 Author: acclaro
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 27 2012 at 9:08pm

The downtown effort is solely council members and city leaders using tax money to protect their property values. The school system isn't any better. It isn't about having a need for new school buildings, its about using the building of schools to 1) keep the focus off the school performance and use the mantra, a new building is coming, so then we'll get better and 2) to say that with them, they won't lose more enrollment.

If I calculate about 150 that run Middletown, while the other 48, 850 are asleep at the wheel, .3 % of 1% of Middletown's population, controls its tax purse and vision. Truly astonishing. In time, perhaps in 10 years, Marty Kohler will get his wish, Middletown's population will be down to 29,000. 
]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:08:13 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32789&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32789 New School Facilities Proposal : Mike, was there any data or evaluation... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32788&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32788 Author: Bill
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 27 2012 at 3:11pm

Mike, was there any data or evaluation presented in these meetings about current maintenance costs & repair and reuse costs vs. build new?

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:11:02 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32788&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32788 New School Facilities Proposal : As expected, all options led to... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32787&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32787 Author: VietVet
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 27 2012 at 1:45pm

As expected, all options led to something new being built somewhere. Nothing else on the table, even before the meetings started. The deck was stacked from the very beginning on this "open forum" and ended a passification event for the community. If one of the options to consider wasn't to maintain what they had and not build new, it was hardly an "open to any ideas forum". City council works the same way. You can offer any suggestion you wish in front of them, but if the suggestion doesn't meet with their pre-conceived notions of acceptability, they won't listen. And the beat goes on, never changing, never open-minded, never diverse in thinking.......never for the people. ]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:45:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32787&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32787 New School Facilities Proposal : While your suggestion is well-intended,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32786&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32786 Author: acclaro
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 27 2012 at 12:04pm

While your suggestion is well-intended, it will fall upon deaf ears. I never saw (and I read every PPT available), that any analysis of import was presented regarding maintaining the buildings without building a new one or two. So, with the stacked down on the "Committee", the Board sits back and has the best of both worlds....it isn't their decision to not build at least one building, based upon the "Committee's recommendation. Will Ms. McNeil argue against adopting any of the options presented based upon her objections?

The Audi A7 won, the fan belt lost.

As Gomer would say..."SURPRISE, SURPRISE"!,



Well, get ready for more FOR SALE/ FOR LEASE signs to go up. Monuments don't drive influx of people in, performance does. And, it continues the downward spiral. Sad.   ]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:04:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32786&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32786 New School Facilities Proposal : Well, last evening was... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32784&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32784 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 27 2012 at 7:17am

Well, last evening was the final meeting of the School FacilitiesCommittee.

Out of the many options that we had considered through themonths, it was finally narrowed down to TWO options to be presented to theBoard of Education this coming Monday.

Items of interest:

Neither the most expensive nor theleast expensive options made the final cut.

The most expensive option was thelast one eliminated.

The SECOND least expensive optionmade the final cut.

The least expensive option wasadded fairly late in the process, and grew out of suggestions by none otherthan me.

Ms. Katie McNeil (Prez of the Boardof Education) showed up at one of the Community Input Meetings and expressed apreference for “Option 4” (the least expensive option).  

I nearly fell out of my chair uponlearning that Ms. McNeil and I agreed upon something!!!  Big%20smile LOL

I think that, as far as the school district officialsinvolved are concerned, this was an open process.  All sides were allowed to be heard and theytried to remain impartial.  On the otherhand, it certainly seemed that some of the committee members had their mindsmade up before they came into the room for the first meeting and they werenever open to any other viewpoint.

My suggestion to the Board would be to “value engineer” theheck out of the project, and to resist the stance that fancy “monuments” toeducation will draw higher class residents to the city.  What goes on INSIDE the buildings willdraw or repel new residents, not what we spend on “glamourization”.

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:17:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32784&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32784 New School Facilities Proposal : In 1977 for me. Skipping school... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32615&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32615 Author: ground swat
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 12 2012 at 2:25pm

In 1977 for me. Skipping school is not new. What's going on in the school is my question. ]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:25:24 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32615&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32615 New School Facilities Proposal : Bill - I hate to tell you this... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32614&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32614 Author: jsmith2011
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 12 2012 at 11:50am

Bill - I hate to tell you this but it starts in the elementary schools not middle school. I've seen out of control preschoolers.

Instead of sending them home...of course, the parents don't answer the phone...they put the student in the office or the hall and you can hear them throughout the school. The only ones that suffer are the other students. And the disruptive student is back the next day doing it all over again.

Of course, the school district doesn't want to make anyone mad so they let it go and then the student takes it to middle school and high school. That's exactly why the good students and good families are leaving Middletown Schools. Whoever said it in one of these posts was right, those families aren't coming back. Do you know how many teachers in the district send their own children to John XXIII? A LOT

Go down Breiel Blvd. when the school buses are letting the students out at the high school in the morning. Some of them are just using the school buses for transportation from the other end of town, they never go near the school building, they get off the bus and walk down Breiel. They are across the street on the brick wall smoking, hiding around the corners of the building smoking. The administrators can't see that out the windows?

But the teachers are supposed to coddle them and be their family. When did all that start? When did the teacher become their friend instead of their teacher?



]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:50:21 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32614&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32614 New School Facilities Proposal : All this talk about new buildings... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32613&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32613 Author: Bill
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 12 2012 at 9:53am

All this talk about new buildings yet no one is calling out the board or the Super about the dismal disciplinary situation that has not changed.  No tough love, no suspensions....nothing to see here, all is well.  Do they think we're stupid?  Why would those who pulled their kids out of MCSD ever consider coming back when nothing has been done about the many behavior problems that seem to be prevalant from middle school on up?  All you have to do is talk to the teachers and you'll get the real information.  Hello, McFly?!

]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:53:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32613&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32613 New School Facilities Proposal : amen neal and stankyI fit... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32611&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32611 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 12 2012 at 8:36am

amen neal and stanky
I fit into Vet's age group, and I love Wade E gym and Barnitz.
The old high school has past it's time, and the hoops gym probably has to go with it. Love watching games there as much or more than anyone. Never miss, and sit directly behind the bench. Behind the game action, the place is an embarrassment to visitors. Honestly don't care for the sterile new gyms of our league opponants either, and Moeller's venue is tiny.
 
Barnitz can stay--why not the new middle school down at the old Armco offices site?
Area should be high-tech wired already--close to Rosa Parks, the new health center, Barnitz could add an athletic/health complex + new turf. Would serve the area well by adding much needed balance. Good enough for Cincy St. isn't it?
 
Same with the former downtown area.
If you are under 50, you probably have no attachment there, and can't understand city govt.'s obsession.
]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:36:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32611&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32611 New School Facilities Proposal : Ok.....Stanky- Neil, tear it all... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32609&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32609 Author: VietVet
Subject: 4184
Posted: Apr 11 2012 at 7:50pm

Ok.....Stanky- Neil, tear it all down. Let's get modern. Forget history....tradition.....not important anymore. The only way to rebuild Middletown is to tear down the past and erase any history the town may have had. The foolish thinking of a younger generation IMO. Everyone raises hell about the new kids on the block, changing the way it has worked for many years, stepping on the world you are use to. Your time will come. It is time honored. The previous generation bitches about the current one. You will too.

"comparing places like Wrigley and Fenway (in major cities) to structures in Middletown? No comparison."

Oh really? The passion about the Middletown sports tradition (including the facilities) are not as engrained in this small town because it is not as large as Chicago or Boston? Are you sure? The intensity of tradition can be at all levels in all sizes of towns. Look at little Germantown with Valley View. Don't think some of those Germantown folks are just as passionate about Valley View football as Boston folks are about their Red Sox or Celtics? Bet those folks associated with Hamilton's West Side team in the Little League World Series are just as passionate about the kids success as the folks who frequent Great American Ballpark and root for the Reds. Hamilton's team has developed a TRADITION of winning. To some, Wade E. Miller Gym and the successful history that it produced is just as revered in this town as Boston Gardens is to the Celtics fans. Small venue versus major market venue, but the passion is still the same....so is the tradition achieved through the facilities....again, at a different level.


"Sadly this town does not have the luxury of holding on to all things old to make all the Social Security aged residents feel good".

Good one Stanky. Nice shot on the age/feel good thing.
Instead of, as you say, "holding on to all things old to make all the Social Security aged residents feel good", I prefer to look at the age comment as "closer to retirement". I've got 6 1/2 more years to hit 51 working years and retirement at age 70. There are advantages to being in the "Social Security crowd". It's called not having to put up with the bs at work anymore. And you have how much longer to work? Need a rope? ]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:50:38 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4184&PID=32609&title=new-school-facilities-proposal#32609