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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown :   lesson learned:when you have...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;11&nbsp;2012 at 7:26am<br /><br />lesson learned:<div>&nbsp;</div><div>when you have a title, but:</div><div>no money</div><div>no real power</div><div>don't own any of the properties involved</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>you really can't do much</div>]]>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown : My interest are more with the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;10&nbsp;2012 at 8:46pm<br /><br />My interest are more with the future not that we should avoid the past I suggest we learn from it.&nbsp; Again for those in the crowd that support giving money away that comes from the city we all want to see this town bounce out of the funk of poor city leadership.&nbsp; We are stuck with this problem but stop throwing money at it without some businesses ready to move in, papers signed.&nbsp; Why don't investors come to our downtown? IMO it's our piss poor reputation for&nbsp;how this admin. works with or lack of businesses already in town. How do think those folks feel on 1st ave or&nbsp;Central ave watching all these give aways four blocks down but they watch money pissed away for brown areas that&nbsp;aren't kept up and get to call the cops every day because of the rift raft breaking in every night.&nbsp; Some one like SJ who not only talked the talk but went door to door giving hundreds of hours to see this freakin dream come true is pretty serious it most not be working at city hall.&nbsp;When I come into a house 99% of the time it's from the street or the curb.&nbsp; We don't have a gas station at our exit!!!&nbsp; Why stop in Middletown?&nbsp; When you walk up someones sidewalk an trip on cracks and crumbling concrete whats your first impression?&nbsp; Government always over complicates simple businesses practices. Ease up the paper work, cut the vendor a break on sewer hookup but stop trying to spend the TAXPAYERS money wisely it's insulting.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For the record If anyone cares I would not have&nbsp;my wonderful life if not for our downtown. It provided a living for my family starting back 130 years ago. The building went thru the fire and my grandfather&nbsp;dug in and made it work. WE all care for our city.&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown :   correct swohio--I was a volunteer...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;10&nbsp;2012 at 6:26pm<br /><br />correct swohio--I was a volunteer board member of the Downtown Partnership for a few years until we disbanded ourselves.<div>Your chronicle of the last few years is basically correct.</div><div>We were managing what was left of the mall, parking garage and downtown area. After the young guy (Chuck) moved on, another full-time director was hired, and given office space in the Chamber complex. We attempted to organize the businesses all the way up Central to the railroad tracks, with little success. The small "un-connected" business owners trusted us(me) but had no faith in the city. I was given the duty of walking the entire area repeatly, asking for support and inquiring what could be done to help them. Since I was recognizable local face, they were quite open with me. As you mentioned, Mr.Thatcher, the Blakelys, etc. were against us. They "had their own plan" and did not need our intrusion. Well---since they owned their property, I had no beef with that. I also got along openly and honestly with them, since I socialized with them.</div><div>Mr.Isroff was also a key partnership figure, while also being tied to the Thatcher/Blakely group as an investment partner. He became somewhat of a "mole" in the Partnership, and imo was playing both sides of the fence to his best interest. "I like and respect Mr.Isroff, however he was not open here imo.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>After hitting the final wall of being unable to reach any constructive united direction, we decided that that the Partnership was no longer necessary or working, and honestly we had nothing left to manage or control(and felt un-wanted-sob)&nbsp;and chose to dissolve ourselves without spending more city $$(our director was the only paid employee--the rest of us were strictly un-commpensated(in any way) volunteer members).</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Most amazingly, Commission(now called Council) urged us to keep going, and tried to give us $75,000 in funding for ???. To our credit, we declined and all walked away in frustration.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Anyone have a different version?</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown :         &amp;#034;They continue...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=640">Richard Saunders</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;10&nbsp;2012 at 4:45am<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='color: black; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN;' lang="EN">"They continue to beat the same deadhorse, expecting life to return."<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='color: black; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN;' lang="EN">You are right, VietVet. And of course theyexpect the taxpayers to provide the whips: diamond encrusted, gold plated,Faberge` whips.<o:p></o:p></span></p></font>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown : &amp;#034;Let them at least try before...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 8:29pm<br /><br /> "Let them at least try before you all bash them on the heads. These people are ciizens just like you, TAX-PAYERS, there a word you all love to use".<br /><br />crazycatcher quote<br /><br />Well crazycatcher, we citizens who have been around since the 50's, have seen the good, the bad and the ugly in this city. We have seen the once vibrant downtown area of the 50's thru the mid-60's taken down to the bottom with the advent of the City Centre Mall of the 70's, the vacant, desolate store fronts since those days, the continued attempts at "re-branding", the anti-business climate created by Kohler and company and the vast amounts of money wasted on ideas, schemes and failed agendas to last a lifetime, concocted by city leaders from the 70's thru to current. No administration, no council and no city development people have found the real answer that has brought success and stability to the area. To say "let them try before you all bash them on the heads" has some redundancy, given the track record of success to date. They all have had their fair share of "trying" to establish a clear track record of failure. Everything they have tried or touched has turned to crap. It is with high confidence that "we the people" can "bash them over the heads" and be correct in our actions. JMO. Oh, and no, these people are not at all like we are. We know when the horse we are whipping is dead. They continue to beat the same dead horse, expecting life to return. <br /><br />]]>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown : The idea of a Main Street Program...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=128">swohio75</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 3:37pm<br /><br />The idea of a Main Street Program has been floated around a lot longer than six years.&nbsp; The notion was of joining the Main Street program dates back to the mid to late 90s and the old Downtown Middletown Partnership, Inc.&nbsp; There was interest back then with that group and a Main Street program.&nbsp; SpiderJohn&nbsp;shouild be able to&nbsp;back me up on this one.&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The city used the old Downtown Middletown Partnership as a "mall and parking garage management" firm when the City Centre Mall still existed.&nbsp; They provided the majority of the funding.&nbsp; Once the mall was gone, there was no need to fund the organization.&nbsp; Prior and during the mall's removal, the organization attempted to fund itself outside of the city's coffers through a Special Improvement District (SID) which would asssess property owners to fund the organization which would market the downtown area and make beautication improvements in the district.&nbsp; It's my understanding that several large property owners---including Mr. Thatcher--were against the idea.&nbsp; Mr. Thatcher still pouting that his "People's Plan" did not get approved by Council.&nbsp; He and Peggy Blakely (who once headed up the downtown partnership, go figure) worked to lobby other property owners against the plan.&nbsp; They owed the Cingery building together under the Venture partnership and Peggy and her husband owned property on their own and through The 2005 Group.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Dick Isroff has be a big supporter of this organization.&nbsp;&nbsp; Glad to see this all resurfacing.&nbsp; As you say, it has proven successful in other communities.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown :   Not an idea of Judy&amp;#039;s....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=915">crazycatcher</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 3:22pm<br /><br />Not an idea of Judy's. The idea has been around for about&nbsp; 6 years. The entire process is not easy. They just revived it last summer and if they can get Main Street status it could mean a lot of grant money for downtown easing the burden from the city. This is a proven program in many cities. Let them at least try before you all bash them on the heads. These people are ciizens just like you, TAX-PAYERS, there a word you all love to use.]]>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown : Another stupid idea of Gilleland....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=796">Middletown29</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 2:29pm<br /><br />Another stupid idea of Gilleland.  Maybe she should have taken this job.]]>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown : Evidently, this is another non-profit...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 8:56am<br /><br />Evidently, this is another non-profit group. With all this attention on the downtown area, we should see a quick turnaround in no time!!! Just don't hold your breath or you'll pass out and miss it!!!]]>
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   <title>Yet Another Attempt In Downtown : So let me get this right..they...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=313">Bocephus</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4315<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 7:14am<br /><br /><p>So let me get this right..they are laying off firemen but somehow they have the money to hire someone for this useless position? </p>]]>
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