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   <title>Smoking Ban : I agree with Resident. Sometime...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=106">Middletown News</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;30&nbsp;2008 at 3:34pm<br /><br /><DIV>I agree with Resident. Sometime rules are so rigid they don't make sense for every situation. Yet the ignorant want to pound the public into submission, just to prove they are in charge.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>From Resident: <strong><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>It does not matter what the issue is, If we as citizens allow the Legislators to summarize a pending law one way on the ballot, and the true meaning of the law is contradictory to the summary presented to the voting masses, we are truly and deeply in trouble. </DIV><DIV></DIV></FONT></strong>]]>
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   <title>Smoking Ban :       Do you support the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=39">Bwood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;27&nbsp;2008 at 11:06am<br /><br /><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><T><TR vAlign=top><TD width="100%"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=-1><B>Do you support the smoking ban?</B></FONT> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><T><T><TR><TD width="100%"><HR></TD></TR></T></T></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width="100%"><T><T><TR><TD width="54%"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=-1><B>Yes</B></FONT> </TD><TD width="25%" ="#000000"></TD><TD align=right width="7%"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><B>75.10%</B></FONT> </TD><TD align=right width="14%"><FONT face=arial,helvetica size=2><B>30231</B></FONT> </TD></TR><TR><TD width="54%"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=-1><B>No</B></FONT> </TD><TD width="25%" ="#000000"></TD><TD align=right width="7%"><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><B>24.90%</B></FONT> </TD><TD align=right width="14%"><FONT face=arial,helvetica size=2><B>10023</B></FONT></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE>That is a poll that is up&nbsp;on the Middletown Journal right now. </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Smoking Ban : Good luck Resident. I agree we...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29">.308</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2008 at 12:32pm<br /><br />Good luck Resident. I agree we got the shaft on this law.]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Smoking Ban : The summary description of the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=112">The Resident</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2008 at 11:18am<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">The summary description of the Smoking Ban Legislation that was on the ballot and the voters approved contained “Private Clubs would be exempt”.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The fine print in the entire legislation, the part that did not make it on the summary description on the ballot, reads “private clubs would be exempt if they have non-paid employees”. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">So in the immortal words of The Captain “What we have here is a failure to communicate”<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">In essence, a part of the voting public that voted for the ban thought that their private clubs would be exempt from this law.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The 3 Senators, Cates, Seitz and Schuler are willing to right this wrong.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>They are not trying to take fundamental rights away from non-smokers, they are not trying to repeal the smoking ban ordinance, they are simply trying to restore the rights of smokers and private business owners who were mislead at the polls by the way this legislation was presented by the summary description on the ballot. They deserve a big hand of applause for standing up for the rights of all of their constituents, especially on such a controversial issue such as smoking. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I am the President of <?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Middletown</st1:place></st1:City> Eagles Aerie# 528.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>We have complied with the smoking ban.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>We built a smoking area outside of our club, we forced our smoking members outside to smoke all winter.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>We lost many members to other private clubs that did not comply with the law.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>We did not see ANY upturn of business from the non-smoking members who were supposed to flock to a smoke free environment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><st1:Pers&#111;nName w:st="&#111;n">All</st1:Pers&#111;nName> we have seen from the smoking ban, is a loss of revenue, loss of members and our employees have seen their hours cut because of the lack of business.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">There comes a time when the good intentions of our Legislators need to be reviewed and corrected.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>That is why the laws that govern the State of <st1:State w:st="&#111;n">Ohio</st1:State> are called “The <st1:State w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Ohio</st1:place></st1:State> Revised Code”.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>This law needs revision and it needs it now.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></B></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">It does not matter what the issue is, If we as citizens allow the Legislators to summarize a pending law one way on the ballot, and the true meaning of the law is contradictory to the summary presented to the voting masses, we are truly and deeply in trouble. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></B></P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Smoking Ban : I noticed a new blog post today...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11">arwendt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2008 at 3:44pm<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-ansi-: EN">I noticed a new blog post today from the President of the local Eagles. </P><DIV>Like many others have been saying would happen all along he spells out how this law&nbsp;HAS hurt their ability to generate income which in turn hampers their ability to contribute to local charities.<BR><BR><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-ansi-: EN">You can find that blog post on <a href="http://" target="_blank"><U><FONT color=#800080>www.billschiering.com</FONT></U></A> and it is entitled “<a href="http://www.billschiering.com/2008/06/ohio-smoking-ban-needs-to-be-revised.html" target="_blank">The Ohio Smoking Ban Needs To Be Revised</A>”</SPAN></P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Smoking Ban : The problem is each year the idiot...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29">.308</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2008 at 10:06am<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-ansi-: EN">The problem is each year the idiot who promises the most "government intrusion" gets the most votes. But you see they don't call it that. They call it assistance, regulation, necessary oversight, and some have even gained office&nbsp;on the promise of being&nbsp;"A kindler gentler leader". <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-ansi-: EN">When we elect those who promise to do the most for us we should not be surprised when they do the most to us.</SPAN></P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Smoking Ban : Driving home yesterday, listening...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 443<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2008 at 8:04am<br /><br />Driving home yesterday, listening to 700 WLW.Tracy Jones had a State Senator from Ashtabula on, who is sponsoring a bill that will ban smoking in YOUR home if there are children present. The bill states that you may smoke in your home if there are no kids in the house. Currently, California has a law that bans smoking in YOUR car and is considering the home too. Now, I thought that we were in an era where there is suppose to be less government intrusion under the current administration. Seems to me that the opposite is occuring and we are more scrutinized today than ever before. IMO, when the city, state or federal government agrees to make my car or house payment, they can tell me what to do in either. To me, this is similar to the seatbelt law. First,big brother "encouraged" you to use your seat belts in YOUR car. Then, they "warned" you to use them. Now, they'll fine you if you don't wear them. What's next, a public hanging? No more government-big brother intrusion in people's lives in situations that affect the well-being of that person only. Seat belt and smoking decisions still need to be made by individuals, especially if the individual has worked for and owns the environment in which the activity occurs. The last straw for me is if they eliminate my freedom in my own home.The seat belt law took it over the top for me as to government intrusion.]]>
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