Middletown Forum : Middletown vs. HUD http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Middletown vs. HUD Tue, 06 Oct 2026 19:27:10 +0000 Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:33:28 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4602 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Middletown vs. HUD : Nelson, Ms. Viv, Grey Goose states... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33525&title=middletown-vs-hud#33525 Author: greygoose
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Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 12:33pm

Nelson, Ms. Viv,

Grey Goose states that $900,000 plus is being paid for outside contract services (Nelson & Associates, Etc.). If this is true, the City is now paying more that what CONSOC ever received.
My question remains, "Where's the hundred of thousands of dollars in savings that Judy G. and Doug A. talked about in their justification for dumping CONSOC?"

Nelson Self

I haven’t been able to locate the document as of yet but I remember its contents. CONSOC’s bid was for 78% of HUD’s administrative funding while Nelson & Associates bid was for 80%. The big savings was achieved due to Nelson & Associates’ bid “including” the housing quality inspections while CONSOC’s didn’t.

Currently, Chase Construction is handling the inspections for Nelson & Associates. I’m not 100% sure of the relationship between the two companies but I “think” that Chase is a subsidiary of Nelson & Associates. I do know that they referenced the change to Chase Construction as “bringing the inspections in house”. This would certainly explain why they would be able to include the costs of the inspections in their bid.
]]> Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:33:28 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33525&title=middletown-vs-hud#33525 Middletown vs. HUD : Grey Goose states that $900,000... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33509&title=middletown-vs-hud#33509 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 17 2012 at 9:59am

Grey Goose states that $900,000 plus is being paid for outside contract services (Nelson & Associates, Etc.).  If this is true, the City is now paying more that what CONSOC ever received. 
My question remains, "Where's the hundred of thousands of dollars in savings that Judy G. and Doug A. talked about in their justification for dumping CONSOC?"
Nelson Self
]]> Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:59:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33509&title=middletown-vs-hud#33509 Middletown vs. HUD : Hmmmm....to be a "shill"... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33375&title=middletown-vs-hud#33375 Author: acclaro
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Posted: Jun 10 2012 at 9:45am

Hmmmm....to be a "shill" or a "flock", what a metaphoric analogy. You know GG, I think you are AJ Smith making a visit. You don't get it, so why bother. Version Downtown 5.0 still is not evidence enough in your warped mind. But again....how many pull guns out at the Duke meter reader and forget to file state forms for "donations." I'm watching paint dry with you.




]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 09:45:01 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33375&title=middletown-vs-hud#33375 Middletown vs. HUD : Acclaro, Per your suggestion,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33371&title=middletown-vs-hud#33371 Author: greygoose
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Posted: Jun 10 2012 at 1:29am


Acclaro,
Per your suggestion, I checked into Dr. Owens (see video on bliptv). I have no problems with him pointing out our city’s flaws because, unlike you and the flock, he is offering a solution. Also, unlike you, I think that adding a community college to our downtown is a great idea. It sure beats the hell out of an art gallery in a factory town. I have very mixed feelings about the downtown area. I hate throwing good money after bad but I also hate to “give up” on it because I don’t like the alternative….. the alternative is something that the flock doesn’t seem to discuss. As I’ve said before, a four year old can point out the problems………but what is the alternative to investing in our downtown. Out of the left side of your mouth, you will state that it is better spent on the east end and out the right side of your mouth your will state that there are other parts of town that are in more need. The conversation becomes much more difficult when you have to do more than state obvious problems. For now, I think my support goes with the city (big surprise). By the way, your comments about Cincy State's enrolment and drop out rates are as misleading as something Ms. Viv might post.]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:29:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33371&title=middletown-vs-hud#33371 Middletown vs. HUD : TonyB, I may be wrong, but my... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33369&title=middletown-vs-hud#33369 Author: greygoose
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Posted: Jun 10 2012 at 12:46am

TonyB,

I may be wrong, but my research concludes that there is no such thing as a HUD 54% rule (aka slum rule). It is a perfect example of how Ms. Viv's mis-statements get adopted as fact. My research indicates that Mr. Adkins discovered that the 2000 census showed that 54% of Middletown families were at a low or moderate income level. This "fact" qualified the entire city for NSP funding. Mr. Adkins pointed this fact out to city council and they agreed that revising the benefit to apply to the entire city was in the city's best interests.

Please take note...... the entire city qualified using 2000 census numbers. Can you imagine where those numbers are now!

I would agree that the entire city is not a slum. But who said that an area had to be a "slum" to qualify for this funding? It's another example of how Ms. Viv's misleading statements get adopted as fact on this board. Yesterday, she admitted that she coined the "slum" phases. Can you start to understand my frustration? If something is stated enough times, people tend to adopt is as truth. If my research is flawed, I invite anyone to prove otherwise. I am more than willing to go back to my source documents.]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:46:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33369&title=middletown-vs-hud#33369 Middletown vs. HUD : greygoose,I missed something that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33365&title=middletown-vs-hud#33365 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Jun 10 2012 at 12:11am

greygoose,
 
I missed something that I wanted to say with your previous post. It wasn't Vivian who declared the entirety of Middletown a slum, that was done by invoking this 54% HUD rule so that the CDBG and NSP money could be spent anywhere in the city limit. I think that we both will agree that the entire city of Middletown is not a slum. I would even go so far as to assert this point as a fact. The city council and administration decided to invoke the slum designation, not any one individual.
]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:11:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33365&title=middletown-vs-hud#33365 Middletown vs. HUD : greygoose,If you've read... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33364&title=middletown-vs-hud#33364 Author: TonyB
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Posted: Jun 10 2012 at 12:03am

greygoose,

If you've read some of my posts on other subjects, I have opinions that are different than others here. The post you refer to here as my opinion, while I believe truthful, could not be considered "factual" because it is a matter of perceptions and not objective facts. I'm sure you could find people in the city who think that city leadership is doing a great job of keeping Middletown citizens informed, educated and involved. I can also be quite emotional and passionate about my opinions, however, I don't think you'd find any instance where I give BS to someone who differs from my opinion. Quite simply, I just don't take it personally. What you say about other people says more about you than it will ever say about them. If I disagree, I will try to present my point and refute points that I disagree with. I also like to think that I can be persuaded with a well reasoned argument. Life is just too short and there are more important things going on here than getting caught up in personal attacks. The future of Middletown is at stake and it's more important to me to find agreement on what should be done than whether it's my idea that prevails or not.
]]> Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:03:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33364&title=middletown-vs-hud#33364 Middletown vs. HUD : TonyB I don't know you... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33360&title=middletown-vs-hud#33360 Author: greygoose
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Posted: Jun 09 2012 at 11:43pm

TonyB

I don't know you (I think) but you must understand the frustration that many on this blog feel. Since you've read some of the back posts and discussions on here, you'll soon come to realize that "facts" are difficult to come by without checking through many different sources. As someone who does business in Middletown, I'm sure you can appreciate that there is an awful lot of sunshine being blown up people's nether regions without much substance to go with it. When I come into town now (as I do about twice a month), I am astounded at how bad the roads are! The combination of poor previous administration of our city and the lack of real "vision" by our city leadership has created a descending spiral which threatens catastrophe for property owners. I share many of the same frustrations with the city as others on this board. However, just because the facts are hard to come by doesn’t give a person the right to make statements as though they are facts when, in reality, they are nothing more than opinions. Why not state it as an opinion. You can’t tell me you don’t see the blatant abuse of what is stated as fact. Why is that OK with everybody? Is it a mob mentality? I don’t know what causes it but I don’t want to be a part of it. I would investigate some of the previous discussions concerning NSP and CDBG funds and how they have been used. The declaration that all of Middletown can be labeled a "slum" has caused one of the worst inequities that I have ever witnessed in terms of using public money to benefit areas of town that simply didn't have the need. Middletown didn’t make that declaration, Ms. Vivian did. I understand that this qualification allows for the “possibility” of abuse, but prove to me that it actually occurred. If abuse occurred, I will jump on the bandwagon, but every time I look into something that was stated as a fact, I come back empty handed. What is wrong with asking for proof? Acclaro gave me some things to look into earlier today but I’m done wasting my time looking for truth out of Ms. Viv. She has an agenda that is longer worth my time. I would hope that everyone would step back from the emotional responses and finger pointing and try to reach an honest consensus of what to do and how to do it. IMO, that is where our city leadership has failed because they haven't gotten the citizenship of Middletown more informed, educated and involved. I agree… but did you notice that you posted “in my opinion”. I would love to take the emotional responses out of this dialog but I’ll be damned if I sit back and take BS because I have an opinion that is different than others on this board. Tomorrow is another day…. We’ll see how it goes.When you have to put a levy request up for a special election 2 months before the general election and say that is the only way we can pass it, you are, in essence, telling citizens that if you don't support us, just stay at home. That is not leadership, that is the "my way or the highway" mentality that is destroying this country as a whole and Middletown in particular. Agreed
]]> Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:43:18 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33360&title=middletown-vs-hud#33360 Middletown vs. HUD : http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33359&title=middletown-vs-hud#33359 Author: acclaro
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Posted: Jun 09 2012 at 11:37pm


]]> Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:37:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33359&title=middletown-vs-hud#33359 Middletown vs. HUD : By the way, you never answered... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4602&PID=33355&title=middletown-vs-hud#33355 Author: greygoose
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Posted: Jun 09 2012 at 11:17pm

By the way, you never answered my question about why Mr. Adkins was “unjustly” praising Nelson & Associates & The Inspection Group. Is there a reason? Do you even know anything about these organizations? You had no problem making the statement. Why not answer the question?

I do not believe that the Inspection Group is still working for Nelson & Assoc.
The last I heard the inspection were being done by Chase Construction that is located in Blue Ash.
I will not comment on Nelson & Assoc at this time...however if you really want to know I would suggest
you call them or Mr. Adkins Monday morning.

You and I both know why you won’t comment on Nelson & Associates! You, Ms. Viv, are a JOKE! You can dish out the BS but “have no comment” when you are called out! Stick to the flowers.
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