Middletown Forum : The Solution For Downtown http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Community Revitalization : The Solution For Downtown Tue, 06 Oct 2026 21:30:02 +0000 Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:17:44 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4605 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ The Solution For Downtown : Greygoose CDBG/HOME Program... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33439&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33439 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 4:17pm

Greygoose
 
CDBG/HOME Program --- Owner-Occupied Housing Rehabilitation Revolving Loan Fund 
Acccording to City staff (Planning and Finance Departments), $400,000+ in non-performing HUD-funded repayable low-interest home improvement loans were written off by senior staff about 2003.  They also revealed that another $300,000+ in non-performing portfolio loans were written off by the City in the fall of 2006.
 
In both cases the City of Middletown was negligent in not providing loan servicing and collection policies and procedures.  In 2007 loan servicing and collection policies/procedures were prepared and implemented by the former Community Development Coordinator, Nelson Self.
]]> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:17:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33439&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33439 The Solution For Downtown : Bill, with all due respect, what... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33437&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33437 Author: acclaro
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Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 12:15pm

Bill, with all due respect, what "pits" are you referring to? Armco and AK Steel have been an excellent financially sound business for over 100 years, with the exception of a few years when China was dumping steel, and Armco entered into its relationship with AK. So, is your point that no company has ever made cuts, improved efficiencies, and had a year or two of economic downturn? Middletown Atrium is a non profit hospital it has been a stable employer since its founding 80-90 years ago.

I am confused by your point. Isn't the real question, has any city prospered when it relied simply on 2- 3 businesses in a 100 years? That's what happened to the city of Middletown. My response would be the odds are in favor few have done well, when their development efforts to make itself better, to industry and residents have failed, for a period as lengthy as Middletown.

Age has nothing to do with it. Demographics? That was an onset of lack of focus. Greatness comes about from focus.Middletown has not had focus for 60 years. I can't address your "history" point as I don't know what frame of reference "history" means.

     ]]> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:15:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33437&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33437 The Solution For Downtown : While many individual decisions... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33436&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33436 Author: Bill
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Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 11:51am

While many individual decisions have gone wrong over the years what I would like to know is whether any city matching the age, demographics, and history of Middletown has come out of the pits or avoided the pits in the first place.  Some are probably suffering a little less (Springfield?) and some maybe a little more.
 
Anyone? anyone? Bueller?
]]> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:51:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33436&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33436 The Solution For Downtown : When is a City Employee not a... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33432&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33432 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 10:29am

When is a City Employee not a City Employee?
Last year when I called City Hall I was assured that Downtown Middletown Inc. had NO connection to City Hall.
However…I found that almost $15,000 had been given from the city coffers to Downtown Middletown Inc. Then again this year I found that the City had written another check for $25,000 to Downtown Middletown Inc.
Isn’t Mr Kay working under the same type of arrangement that the City has with MMF?

]]> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:29:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33432&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33432 The Solution For Downtown : Spider, I was going to post a... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33431&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33431 Author: greygoose
Subject: 4605
Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 10:21am

Spider,
I was going to post a response to VV today, but since you made an appearance this morning, I will respond to you instead. For the record, I am not associated with the city in any way. As I stated earlier, I am a local landlord and indeed came to this site looking for answers related to the landlord registration process. Upon, joining the site, I was pleased with the amount of information that could be found. I was a little “disturbed” by the amount of negativity but chalked it up to frustration from those that had lived in Middletown in better times.

I was content with the situation until two events occurred:

1st - I decided to take Pacman’s advice when he suggested that I read some of the history of the board. Although I learned an incredible amount of information, I also started finding factual discrepancies. I was finding information that contradicted what I originally took at face value as fact.

2nd – Not being the type to overlook little items such as facts, I started asking questions. At first, I was polite in my requests. My frustration grew when these questions were either left unanswered or summarily dismissed.

Eventually, my frustration grew to the point that I lashed out. I realized that this board was not what I had hoped that it was. In my opinion, this board is about the exchange of ideas from “like minded” people. There is little, if any, tolerance for opposing opinions. Upon reflection, “that’s OK”; nobody said that it was going to be otherwise. I just assumed that it would be. I want to apologize to Ms. Viv and acclaro. I let my frustration get the best of me and am ashamed of much of what I posted “at” you. I am a grown man and am upset that I let my emotions get the best of me. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with much of what you have to say, but my actions were uncalled for and, for that, I apologize.

I spent almost 25 years employed as a General Manager (problem solver) and am “hard wired” with a positive, can do, attitude. I’m not suggesting that I am right..... just trying to give you some insight into who I am and why I think the way that I do. I enjoy the educational aspect of this site very much but think that it would be best for all involved if I limited my involvement to periodic visits (for your sake, and mine). Although I may be passionate in defending my opinions in the future, I will never, again, strike out like I did a couple of days ago.

For those of you that think this post is just BS, I challenge you to read my posting history. If viewed objectively, I think that it confirms my above statements. For those of you that think that I am someone other than a concerned citizen, I think that I can prove otherwise…… just ask Spiderjohn after reading the following paragraph.

Several posts ago, I mentioned that I was born in Middletown but was raised in a small town just south of Dayton. If Spiderjohn is who I think that he is, I actually worked for his father at one of their “state of the art” stores in this Dayton suburb back in the 70’s. Do you think that AJ or Patrick would know that kind of information? I know that it probably takes some of the fun out of it, but I am truly nothing more than a local landlord who hopes for the best when it comes to his hometown.
]]> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:21:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33431&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33431 The Solution For Downtown : mr.goose--thanx 4 the kind... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33429&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33429 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 7:18am

mr.goose--thanx 4 the kind thinking my way
I try to be fair and to appreciate everyone on these thorny issues
 
however it bothers me when you name-call and be-little many of those posting here
I have known most of them for a long time, and know them all from the long-term relationship here
If you are going to draw a line in the sand---I step to their side of that line
 
not really guessing as to your identity--not that important
we are all equal, though some more equal than others
your message rings clear
u say that u r a landlord who was born here, and has now returned
I take u @ yer word
 
u seem only focused on your situation regarding the pending rental property situation
those here are hardly one trick ponies. they have been here throughout the dramas and disappointments, and very few of them have an active business stake in our current situation
they are intelligent informed citizens who care about the community that has been their home for decades.
 
they don't like being ignored and insulted by their govt., and ? many ?able and probably poor decisions made by local govt. The citizens have brought on this mess only by electing the wrong people, and many of these people are put in place by the same senior names that have piloted this Titanic for decades.
 
I have explained my position and why I take that position--no need to do it again
 
If you can't respect and understand the core thinking here(I think you can do just that), then maybe you should move on to champion your self-interests. But I don't think that you can or want to do that. And that is not only ok, but a good thing. Do a little more history homework. Be constructive(your tone has changed considerably and very quickly)
 
this is your space just as much as it belongs to everyone else.
make something good out of it!.
 
jmo
]]> Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:18:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33429&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33429 The Solution For Downtown : greygoose wrote:Be clear........ http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33425&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33425 Author: 409
Subject: 4605
Posted: Jun 12 2012 at 11:53pm

Originally posted by greygoose greygoose wrote:

Be clear..... the taxpayers don't pay me a dime. I will return in the next day or two.
Avatar = Doug Adkins ?  Ouch]]> Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:53:53 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33425&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33425 The Solution For Downtown : Be clear..... the taxpayers don't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33424&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33424 Author: greygoose
Subject: 4605
Posted: Jun 12 2012 at 11:27pm

Be clear..... the taxpayers don't pay me a dime. I will return in the next day or two.]]> Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:27:22 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33424&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33424 The Solution For Downtown : If true, how much of this fiasco... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33423&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33423 Author: 409
Subject: 4605
Posted: Jun 12 2012 at 11:17pm

If true, how much of this fiasco took place on the taxpayers dime ? Ouch]]> Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:17:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33423&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33423 The Solution For Downtown : Interesting approach Mr. Kay.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33421&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33421 Author: Neil Barille
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Posted: Jun 12 2012 at 7:46pm

Interesting approach Mr. Kay.  Come on the board and tout what a positive working relationship you've had with the city, solicit opinions, then bail when the mob doesn't offer constructive ideas.  I'm guessing that your sudden hostility to some on here, primarily Ms. Moon, occurred right about the time one of your handlers at Donham Plaza told you (1) good effort on MUSA -- hey you tried; OR (2) egads why have you been on MUSA --stay away from this board at all costs!]]> Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:46:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4605&PID=33421&title=the-solution-for-downtown#33421