Middletown Forum : HUD FUNDNG

HUD FUNDNG : I couldn't help it. A big...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:36:09 +0000

Author: Stanky
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 3:36pm

I couldn't help it. A big heavy lunch from The Meadows and a hot day will do that to you!

HUD FUNDNG : Come on STINKY I mean Stanky...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:38:22 +0000

Author: LMAO
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 2:38pm

Come on STINKY I mean Stanky cant you come up with something different? First its my Spelling,and now a pic of you. What does it mean?

HUD FUNDNG : LMAO:

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:41:59 +0000

Author: Stanky
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 1:41pm

LMAO:

HUD FUNDNG : greygoose:On the surface,...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:29:54 +0000

Author: LMAO
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 1:29pm

greygoose:On the surface, her arguments appear very plausible but logic tells me that Mr. Adkins, being an attorney, isn’t going to take steps that will put the city in legal jeopardy

Sorry but when I read that it makes me laugh.Someone digs deep enough they would find that everyone of our "SPINE:ESS ONES" would have legal problems.

HUD FUNDNG : goose:glad that you are here,...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:53:25 +0000

Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 11:53am

goose:

glad that you are here, and find your posted info very interesting and enlightening.

you make a good balancing addition to this forum with your approach and direction.

I don't know the hud or legal definitions, however I remember watching the Council meeting where Mr.Adkins made the 54% statement. He mentioned that this % allowed him to use the fiunding wherever chosen, including the east end and the fprmer Towne Mall area. Then he mentioned that he was going to by-pass the troublesome high-crime, high poverty areas(specifically my business area of Crawford St--Moore St--Supthin St) in favor of the Highlands Historical District, the S Main Historical district, and of course, the area formerly known as our downtown. So--the worst areas were to be excluded in favor of the good ole boy network.

I like Mr.A, and agree with a lot of what he is doing.

He didn't create the Section 8 mess, and has promised to do what he can to fix it.

I take him at his word.

Council/Admin?--another story.

Sorry that I can't tell you more or more specifics, however I did watch this long ago.

Having watched whatever has gone down publicly over years, I see what is said by Ms.Moon, Mr.Self and Mr.Presta as reasonably accurate--like it or not.

Of course--I could have some things wrong.

HUD FUNDNG : Contrary to popular belief, I...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:52:31 +0000

Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 10:52am

Contrary to popular belief, I do not believe everything that comes out of City Hall. The problem is that every time that I really start digging, I find facts that are left out of the discussion. Did you know that 17 of 19 census tracts in this city had a foreclosure abandonment risk of at least 9 on a scale from 1 to 10? Did you know that the city stated that they would concentrate their efforts in those areas (in other words, no bennies for the east end)? All that I am saying is it is irresponsible not to discuss both sides of an issue. You lose credibility with those outside of your inner circle if you don’t.

GreyGoose
Did you even bother to read what was posted at this link?

Do you know how to read the charts?
Are you telling me that you believe the Highland Historic District is a high crime, high poverty area?
http://middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3223&KW=HUD

HUD FUNDNG : goose: imo you should worry a...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:36:48 +0000

Author: greygoose
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 10:36am

goose:
imo you should worry a lot less about trusting Ms.Moon's info
and a lot more about trusting the actions coming from the city building

Spider,

Did you read my post? I understand that 54% qualified Middletown but asked if 54% was the qualifying number. Her refusal to answer such a simple question just confirms my suspicion that there is no such thing as the 54% rule. Regardless, the end of my post stated “Never mind, I’ll find it on my own”. In other others, I'm taking your advice.

Contrary to popular belief, I do not believe everything that comes out of City Hall. The problem is that every time that I really start digging, I find facts that are left out of the discussion. Did you know that 17 of 19 census tracts in this city had a foreclosure abandonment risk of at least 9 on a scale from 1 to 10? Did you know that the city stated that they would concentrate their efforts in those areas (in other words, no bennies for the east end)? All that I am saying is it is irresponsible not to discuss both sides of an issue. You lose credibility with those outside of your inner circle if you don’t.

Ms. Viv’s recent post concerning Land Banking is a perfect example. On the surface, her arguments appear very plausible but logic tells me that Mr. Adkins, being an attorney, isn’t going to take steps that will put the city in legal jeopardy. Time to start digging again…………

GG

HUD FUNDNG : If I may make a suggestion, as...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:15:16 +0000

Author: acclaro
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 8:15am

If I may make a suggestion, as I don't study HUD practices in detail, that you may wish to have HUD examine these practices directly if they are wrong? City council members really don't care to put the effort into examining details nor what is what is wrong or what is wrong. other thatn the statement you provided. Monroe made such reliance on the school treasurer as to what was right and wrong and paid the price in having the state run their school district.

If Mr. Adkins is wrong, there will be a remedy, one would assume his job. But to state city council makes reliance on a trained attorney and his interpretation, and that's the end of that...well, that's the end of it. If deemed wrong, request HUD make an assessment.

In my view, Obama and this whole waste of federal funds is appalling, wasteful, and has accomplished nothing. It seems to be the midas touch now is to tear down buildings under some false pretense less capacity inflates and protects property values.

I'm more concerned and bewildered the Moorman's bought the PAC building Jim Verdon received hundreds of thousands to restore, and I thought he was leashing the building from the city. Moreover, I was astonished the forgiveness reference in the agreement was all over the terms.

HUD should have people who know what is right and what is wrong. The city should know what is right and wrong and the PAC situation.

Of course, I am making reliance the Middletown Journal is accurate....that may be a wrong asumption.

HUD FUNDNG : GreyGoose At the last council...

Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:13:04 +0000

Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 18 2012 at 5:13am

GreyGoose

   At the last council meeting Mr Adkins stood before the members and explained his plan of using HUD Funds as matching funding for the Land Banking Program.
    Over the next few days I did a little research on the subject matter and placed phone calls to several council members. Mr. Josh Laubach was the only council member that returned by phone call.
    I explained to Mr. Laubach that I had serious concerns about Mr. Adkins plan to use HUD Funds for the Land Banking Program. That transferring HUD Funds to the General Fund and then transferring and using those funds as the matching funds for the land banking is nothing short of Money Laundering. I provided Mr Laubach with the following reasons for why the legislation should be removed from the emergency agenda of the June 19, 2012 council meeting:

1. The guidelines for the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program clearly state that
     HUD funds can not be used as matching funds.
2. Mr. Adkins has not filed an Amendment to the HUD 2012 Annual Action Plan
     stating this substantial change in the use of HUD funds and requesting HUD
     approval.
3. This major amendment concerning HUD funds has not been before the
      public for a 30 day Citizens Comment Period.
4.   HUD has not approved any changes to the HUD 2012 Annual Action Plan.

    Mr. Laubach stated that “Mr. Adkins has assured us that this is legal”.
He said he was going to contact Mr. Adkins and get an answer to my concerns.
I requested proof that HUD had approved Mr. Adkins plan. I have not received a phone call or an email from Mr. Laubach addressing my concerns.
    So here we are Greygoose the day before the emergency legislation for
Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program in the amount of 1.3 million dollars goes before City Council and the City has not provided me with any information or proof that HUD has approved this plan.
    Yet you come on this blog and accuse me of just sitting around bad mouthing City Hall for no reason other than I’m frustrated. NO REASON? Then you need to go back and read this message again.
    I’m not frustrated…I’m mad as hell as I sit and watch what is going on at City Hall every day of the week.

Sooo since you are such a close buddy to Mr. Adkins I'm sure you should be able to provide us with the letter showing HUD has approved this plan.

http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/docs/commsvc/py2012aapdraft.pdf

HUD FUNDNG : Greygoose and Ms. Moon: May...

Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:51:41 +0000

Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 4606
Posted: Jun 17 2012 at 11:51pm

Greygoose and Ms. Moon:

May I offer what should be an easy solution to the “54%question”???

If memory serves (often a risky bet in the case of mymemory), the declaration of the entire city as a so-called “Slumville” occurredat a City Council meeting in October of 2009. All one need do is to pull up the City Council meeting workbooks forthat month (which I believe would be dated 10/06/2009 and 10/20/2009) andperuse the staff reports for the appropriate legislative action. The minutes of those meetings may also yieldthe information you are seeking.

Normally, I can supply copies of Council workbooks, as Iroutinely “save” them just to be certain that if I refer to them in the future Iam not getting information that may have “accidentally” been altered, and Iwould be pleased to provide the aforementioned editions. However, prior to about a year and a halfago, I foolishly did NOT save them to an external hard drive, and my copies ofthe 2009 workbooks were lost when my old computer “died”.

However, since Greygoosehas recently been elevated “Moderator”status (after less than 100 posts) on this board, I feel certain that he has enoughclout with Mr. Adkins to obtain copies of these workbooks.

(NOTE to myself: Youhave NOT backed up your hard drive to the external hard drive in over twomonths!!! Be certain to do sotonight!!!)