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   <title>Landbanking :    adamwlewis wrote:VietVet,  I...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 1:33am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by adamwlewis" alt="Originally posted by adamwlewis" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>adamwlewis wrote:</strong><br /><br />VietVet,<br><br>I completely agree, and that's exactly what I said, pointing out specific things is fine, but I can find in 5 minutes probably 20-30 blanket statements from posters that say something to the extent that "city hall always" or "so and so never" etc. These terms "always" and "never" are what I call asinine. These terms are so finite and I just think everyone deserves credit when it is due.</td></tr></table><font size="2">If I've told you once, I've told you a MILLION times, I NEVER say "never"...I ALWAYS am sort of specific. <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;</font>]]>
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   <title>Landbanking :   Personally Adam,I have spent...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 8:38pm<br /><br />Personally Adam,<div><br>I have spent hundreds of hours researching many of my opinions concerning the city.&nbsp; Especially the section 8 issue.&nbsp; I could no longer spend the time researching as much as I use to due to being blind now.&nbsp; <br><br>I take exception to your blanket statement that peoples opinions, whether they agree with the city or not, are asinine.&nbsp; I have taken many opinions that were in favor to the city and many that were not.&nbsp; I think it is inappropriate to call anybody's opinion asinine. <br><br>I have this blog read to me by my wife and take it upon myself to read or not read an&nbsp;individuals post. This is&nbsp;at my discretion, not the person who operates the blog.&nbsp; I just find your statement discouraging.&nbsp; <br><br>Pacman<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Cool" /></div>]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : Use whatever terms you feel appropriate,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3">adamwlewis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 12:31pm<br /><br />Use whatever terms you feel appropriate, these are just my opinions. City hall does a lot and manages a lot that we tend to overlook, so it just bothers me that people think everything they do it negative.]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : adam lewis--- &amp;#034;I can find...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 12:22pm<br /><br />adam lewis--- "I can find in 5 minutes probably 20-30 blanket statements from posters that say something to the extent that "city hall always" or "so and so never" etc. These terms "always" and "never" are what I call asinine"<br /><br />Fair enough. Then perhaps the optimum word to use is not "always" or "never" but rather, "occasionally", "in some circumstances", "has, in the past" or "has a history of". Would that be more accurate? For me, when I'm posting, I don't think of it in that finite of terms as to frequency of infraction. Semantics perhaps? How about "city hall always APPEARS....." as in supposition form or making an assumption?]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : VietVet,  I completely agree,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3">adamwlewis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 11:57am<br /><br />VietVet,<br /><br />I completely agree, and that's exactly what I said, pointing out specific things is fine, but I can find in 5 minutes probably 20-30 blanket statements from posters that say something to the extent that "city hall always" or "so and so never" etc. These terms "always" and "never" are what I call asinine. These terms are so finite and I just think everyone deserves credit when it is due.]]>
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   <title>Landbanking :    Vivian Moon wrote:No layoffs...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 11:24am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Vivian Moon" alt="Originally posted by Vivian Moon" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Vivian Moon wrote:</strong><br /><br /><div style="margin: auto 0in;"><strong>No layoffs in city’s proposed 2013 budget plan</strong></div><div><strong>...</strong></div><div>It’s projected the city will collect nearly $29.3 million in revenues next year, <strong><font color="#ff0000">but spend about $69,000 more than what they take in. That will force the city to dip into the reserve balance by about $615,000</font></strong></div><div>...</div></td></tr></table><font size="2">Now I will admit that I have not been following city activities too closely the last few weeks, but can anyone explain to me why, when we spend $69,000 more than we take in, we must dip into the the rainy day fund for nearly <font color="#ff0000"><strong>NINE TIMES </strong></font>that amount??? <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><div></div>Anyone???</font>]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : adam lewis-----&amp;#034;but what...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 11:17am<br /><br />adam lewis-----"but what I'm tired of hearing all the time are "blanket" statements about Middletown, it's leaders, etc. This goes for national politics as well, ......."<br /><br />adam lewis------"All I read and hear on here is how "everything" is wrong and how "no one" in the city government "ever" does anything right, etc. These blanket statements are asinine"<br /><br />Adam, if I may interject into your conversation with Vivian......<br />I believe all of us who participate, could go back into the forum archives and pull out specific factual supportive data that would provide legitimate proof that what was stated was accurate, no matter what the subject matter. Participants such as Vivian, Mike Presta and other top data researchers usually provide some supportive evidence of their claims. Personally, I don't classify our posts as "blanket statements" nor are they asinine. I respectfully disagree. If they have been backed up with factual data, from a source such as the Journal, I fail to see where they could be construed as "asinine blanket statements"... That is, unless we all agree that the Journal does not offer factual content......which may be a distinct possibility. JMO]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : All I read and hear on here is...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 10:45am<br /><br />All I read and hear on here is how "everything" is wrong and how "no one" in the city government "ever" does anything right, etc. These blanket statements are asinine. My post was simply to point out that the city DOES do stuff right. Pointing out things you do not agree with is fine, but to continually use blanket statements to describe the city and it's officials just kills me and I think they deserve recognition and credit for all the things they do right. <DIV><BR><strong>Adam</strong></DIV><DIV><strong>I will try to do better in the future</strong> </DIV>]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : Vivian, I think you clearly misread/misunderstood...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3">adamwlewis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 10:32am<br /><br />Vivian, I think you clearly misread/misunderstood the spirit behind my post; though it is your attitude that prompted my post to begin with. I'm not going to start debating politics, but what I'm tired of hearing all the time are "blanket" statements about Middletown, it's leaders, etc. This goes for national politics as well, but that's irrelevant to my post.<br /><br />All I read and hear on here is how "everything" is wrong and how "no one" in the city government "ever" does anything right, etc. These blanket statements are asinine. My post was simply to point out that the city DOES do stuff right. Pointing out things you do not agree with is fine, but to continually use blanket statements to describe the city and it's officials just kills me and I think they deserve recognition and credit for all the things they do right.]]>
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   <title>Landbanking : I have been giving a great deal...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4607<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2012 at 9:20am<br /><br /><P><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN"><FONT size=3><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>I have been giving a great deal of thought to the recent post of Adam Lewis concerning posting negative things about City Hall. <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Mr Lewis with me is just pure frustration and the “Land Banking” issue is a perfect example of this problem. I saw a problem and I contacted city council members with my research of my concerns. One of the council members stated that I must have called the wrong state office. <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Well Mr Lewis just because I’m a peon with only three little grey cells does not mean that my concerns and research do not have value. Just because Mr Adkins or others at City Hall say it is so….does not make it so. <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Our city officials can not be allowed to stand before a TV camera and tell the public misleading facts about important subjects concerning our community and the spending of our tax dollars.&nbsp;<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm</SPAN> happy to state that City Hall has now solved the problem. <strong><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">“It is ethical, it is legal, it’s perfectly acceptable,” Adkins said. “HUD is happy with it, the Ohio Attorney General is happy with it; they both have things they want us to do, this satisfies everybody.”</SPAN></I></strong></FONT><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><BR></I></B><FONT size=3><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>So needless to say I was a bit surprised Tuesday evening that Council Members didn’t seemed to understand where the money for the fire truck was being transferred from and why.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Once again I would like to thank MUSA for providing the community with a forum so our concerns can be heard.<BR>Vivian Moon<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-: EN">GreyGoose <BR></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-ansi-: EN">&nbsp;&nbsp; At the last council meeting Mr Adkins stood before the members and explained his plan of using HUD Funds as matching funding for the Land Banking Program.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Over the next few days I did a little research on the subject matter and placed phone calls to several council members. Mr. Josh Laubach was the only council member that returned by phone call.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>I explained to Mr. Laubach that I had serious concerns about Mr. Adkins plan to use HUD Funds for the Land Banking Program. That transferring HUD Funds to the General Fund and then transferring and using those funds as the matching funds for the land banking is nothing short of Money Laundering. I provided Mr Laubach with the following reasons for why the legislation should be removed from the emergency agenda of the June 19, 2012 council meeting:<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">1.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The guidelines for the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program clearly state that <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>HUD funds can not be used as matching funds.<BR>2.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Mr. Adkins has not filed an Amendment to the HUD 2012 Annual Action Plan <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>stating this substantial change in the use of HUD funds and requesting HUD <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>approval.<BR>3.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>This major amendment concerning HUD funds has not been before the <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>public&nbsp;for </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">a 30 day Citizens Comment Period.<BR>4.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>HUD has not approved any changes to the HUD 2012 Annual Action Plan.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Mr. Laubach stated that “Mr. Adkins has assured us that this is legal”.<BR>He said he was going to contact Mr. Adkins and get an answer to my concerns.<BR>I requested proof that HUD had approved Mr. Adkins plan. I have not received a phone call or an email from Mr. Laubach addressing my concerns.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>So here we are Greygoose the day before the emergency legislation for<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program in the amount of 1.3 million dollars goes before City Council and the City has not provided me with any information or proof that HUD has approved this plan.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Yet you come on this blog and accuse me of just sitting around bad mouthing<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>City Hall for no reason other than I’m frustrated. NO REASON? Then you need to go back and read this message again.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>I’m not frustrated…I’m mad as hell as I sit and watch what is going on at City Hall every day of the week. <SPAN style="COLOR: black">&nbsp;Sooo since you are such a close buddy to Mr. Adkins I'm sure you should be able to provide us with the letter showing HUD has approved this plan.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><BR><BR><a href="http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/docs/commsvc/py2012aapdraft.pdf" target="_blank"><strong><SPAN style="COLOR: #810081; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; TEXT-DECORATI&#079;N: n&#111;ne; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; text-underline: n&#111;ne"><FONT size=2>http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/docs/commsvc/py2012aapdraft.pdf</FONT></SPAN></strong></A><BR><BR>June 27, 2012<BR>Tuesday<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Middletown Council Members<BR><BR>I’m requesting that the legislation for the approval of the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program vote be canceled until you find another funding source for this program. <BR><BR>Last Tuesday Mr. Adkins stood before the council and stated that HUD and the AG’s Office had approved the use of HUD Funds as the match for the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program.<BR><BR>I spoke with the AG’s Office today and they have no record of an email or a phone call from Mr. Adkins requesting approval of this current plan.<BR>The AG’s Office stated that moving HUD Funds to the General Fund would NOT be acceptable under the grant guidelines because the AG’s Office would consider them as contaminated funds.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Mike DeWine<BR>Ohio Attorney General<BR>Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program<BR>Demolition Guidelines<BR>Page 7<BR>”Federal funds, such as CDBG, NSP and HUD, are ineligible as matching funds unless the local government is in fiscal emergency as defined in Chapter 118 of the Revised Code.” <BR><BR>Vivian Moon</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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