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   <title>A Better Middletown : &amp;#034;Vet- My point is if people...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;07&nbsp;2012 at 9:34am<br /><br />"Vet- My point is if people were obeying the traffic laws in the first place, the cameras wouldn't make a bit of a difference."<br /><br />Agree rngmed. I still maintain that I don't need nor want government monitoring my private life to the degree that they choose to put up cameras and take pictures....especially (IMO) for revenue. They really could care less about my safety nor welfare. Their weak attempt, hiding their revenue intentions under the guise of safety, is a joke. Gotta remember, I came from the generation that mistrusted all government. Some in my generation have become what we use to hate. I have not lost the feeling of despising authority I don't respect. That includes politicians, city building residents, some managers in private industry over 44 years and those that come up with laws that invade my privacy (like how safe I should be in my own car)<br /><br />rngmed: "As far as seat belts, Yes I have heard of people in opposing cars being injured"<br /><br />We differ here. I've been driving for 47 years and have NEVER heard of a situation where the person NOT WEARING the seatbelt, ran into another car and caused injury to the passengers of the other car ATTRIBUTED TO NOT WEARING SAID SEATBELT. Injury to the person not wearing the seatbelt- certainly. Don't see how that could possibly happen without the person without the seatbelt being ejected through the windshield and directly into the windshield of the oncoming car. Dam near impossible.<br /><br />rngmed: "Do you want to be the individual that caused a car accident and killed someone because they chose not to wear their seat belt"<br /><br />Of course not. I will agree with your statement until it reaches "because they chose not to wear their seat belt". I am responsible for causing the accident and for the injuries incurred by the occupants of the other car to a point. I am NOT responsible for them deciding not to wear their seatbelt and the injuries attributed to their decision.<br /><br />rngmed: "I'm glad there are seat belt requirements",<br /><br />We disagree here too. I am not. It is another government intrusion into the lives of private citizens. Remember when the authorities "suggested" we wear the seat belts? Then they said they will "monitor" us wearing them. Then, they said if you are stopped for another violation and found not wearing a seat belt, they would add that to the charge. Then, they escalated it to "we can charge you with not wearing the seat belt even if you are not in violation of any other infraction". It is bull---- the way they ramped this up to dictate to the public how safe they should be inside their private car. This, IMO, is a mild form for fascism. <br /><br />]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown :    Great Show! Source CNBC.com...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=216">randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 4:33pm<br /><br /><div>Great Show! Source CNBC.com </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Try to catch the replays at night. Worth the watch. </div><p><span id="byLine"></span><b><strong>CNBC's Billions Behind Bars: Inside America’s Prison Industry </strong></b></p><div></div><p><span id="byLine"></span>“Billions Behind Bars: Inside America’s Prison Industry,” a CNBC original documentary, goes behind the razor wires to investigate the profits and inner-workings of the multi-billion dollar corrections industry. </p><div></div><p><span id="byLine"></span>With more than 2.3 million people locked up, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. One out of 100 American adults is behind bars – while a stunning one out of 32 is on probation, parole or in prison. This reliance on mass incarceration has created a thriving prison economy. The states and the federal government together spend roughly $74 billion a year on corrections, and nearly 800,000 people work in the industry. </p><div></div><p><span id="byLine"></span>From some of the poorest towns in America to some of the wealthiest investment firms on Wall Street, CNBC’s <b><strong><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/15838202/" target="_blank"><strong><u><font color="#0066cc">Scott Cohn</font></u></strong></a></strong></b> travels the country to go inside the big and controversial business of prisons. He investigates the business model behind a private prison in Idaho, dubbed a “gladiator school” by inmates and former prison employees who cite its extraordinary level of violence. We also look at allegations of improper corporate prison industry influence over a tough immigration enforcement law in Arizona, and chronicle what happens when a hard hit town in Montana accepts an enticing sales pitch from private prison developers. In Colorado, we profile a little-known workforce behind bars, and discover that products created by prison labor have seeped into our everyday lives -- even some of the food we eat. We also meet a tough-talking judge in the law-and-order state of Texas who’s actually trying to keep felons out of prison and save taxpayer money, through an innovative and apparently successful program.<br></p>]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown : Not a fan of privatizing detention...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11">arwendt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 3:45pm<br /><br />Not a fan of privatizing detention facilities.]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown : When are you &amp;#034;privatize government&amp;#034;...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 2:47pm<br /><br />When are you "privatize government" people going to get it through your head that they WANT more people in jail!!! This country is now going back to putting people in prison for debt!!! Why? Because when you can make money putting people in prison, the government will come up with all sorts of creative laws that make those who support their candidacy money! Notice when politicians and the rich go to jail, they get the "minimum security" country club detainment? It's only the poor who get to go to "private prisons" where they can be forced to work for pennies and denied basic human rights. I'm all for the idea "if you do the crime, you do the time", it's just that I can't see someone else being allowed to profit from it!]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown : Vet- My point is if people were...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=281">rngrmed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 1:14pm<br /><br />Vet- My point is if people were obeying the traffic laws in the first place, the cameras wouldn't make a bit of a difference.  <br />As far as seat belts, Yes I have heard of people in opposing cars being injured. But that is/was where I earned my living, taking care of injured/hurt people.  <br />You can even say being forced to wear a safety belt is related to money. If you were to become injured in a car accident because you were not wearing your seat belt or not wearing it properly you may not be able to work or end up in a long term care facility.  <br />Oh yeah, most insurance policies do not pay if you are injured or killed and found to be not wearing your seat belt.  <br /><br />Do you want to be the individual that caused a car accident and killed someone because they chose not to wear their seat belt.<br /><br />People think all this crime is something new, its not. I remember there was a time in this Country when horse thieves were hung in the public. People continued to steal horses. <br /><br />I'm glad there are seat belt requirements, but at the same time I think that it is a double standard because of other lifestyle choices that cause health related issues.  One way or the other we end up paying because of the choices someone else makes.]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown : rngrmed: &amp;#034;How many people...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 10:46am<br /><br />rngrmed: "How many people in here complain about the camera lights. Why?"<br /><br />Won't speak for anyone else on this forum, but for me, it is all about Big Brother Government (city,state,feds- doesn't matter) watching over my shoulder and attempting to oversee my behavior. I don't need an entity as inept as the lousy government dictating to me how I should act in my own car. Same way with telling me I must wear a seatbelt in my car. We've all heard of the driver and passengers dying from not wearing their seatbelts, right? Ever hear of a person in the other car dying because the opposing car's occupants weren't wearing belts? It is none of the governments business to try and tell me how safe I choose to be INSIDE my car. If it affects those OUTSIDE the car....different story. The cameras? IMO only, too much gov. intrusion and let's face it, the cops and the city can give you all the crapola they want about their concern for our safety but that's, at best, secondary. It is strictly a revenue enhancement program done, in Middletown's case, because the city leaders are too ignorant and lazy to gain meaningful revenue the correct way through payroll and corporate taxes. Would require too much effort on their part to make that happen. Easier to beat the hell out of the people for money. Furthermore, I haven't heard where the cameras have made much of a difference in accident reductions as people will speed through the yellow light to avoid the ticket on the red, intimidated by the cameras themselves. JMO  ]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown : I didn&amp;#039;t see the article...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=281">rngrmed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 9:37am<br /><br />I didn't see the article about someone smashing through the window at Subway to get chips. But my guess is that if someone is doing this, they have bigger concerns. Then again, I'm sure that is just a small excerpt from the article.  Maybe it was just someone being a malicious.  And I'm not excusing the crime, based on the individual's rationale. They are still wrong. Just because you break a law, doesn't deem you a hardened criminal.  <br /><br />How many people in here complain about the camera lights.  Why?  If you don't run the red lights, it is not an issue. Maybe the repeat offenders need some jail time.  What about those that smoke "a little" dope?  Not hurting anyone, but still against the law.  And no, I don't smoke, or pop pills, hell I haven't even had a drink of alcohol in over 2 years. <br /><br />What if the Subway guy is able to pay restitution?  ]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown :   VietVet wrote:The rules in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11">arwendt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 9:03am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br />The rules in society have gone down the toilet because we actually pay attention to the ACLU and the other "be kind-criminals have rights" crap.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Agree! When I wake up every morning and read stories along the lines of some idiot smashing through a glass door with his bare hands to steal half a dozen bags of chips from a Subway.. there is clearly no real concern for the consequences of one's actions.<br /><br />We have grown soft, we have grown complacent, and we have become brainwashed with the idea that pleasantries, instead of punishment, can solve our crime problem. ]]>
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   <title>A Better Middletown : randy: &amp;#034;Both jails are at...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;06&nbsp;2012 at 6:22am<br /><br />randy: "Both jails are at capacity as of today.  That means to lock someone up right now someone has to be let out. So who do you let out?"<br /><br />You don't let anyone out. You find a contained area with high fences. Construct some open air tents and set a couple of Porta-Pots out there and let them enjoy the outdoors, be it heat or cold. Of course, then, you'll have to contend with the bleeding heart/kinder-gentler/prisoners have rights ACLU who are part of the problem with the promotion of relaxing discipline in society. It is a free-for-all now. Dam near do anything you want nowadays and receive a painful "slap on the wrist" from these weak judges. The criminal element isn't intimidated anymore by the police, the judges nor the court system. Every time they are given a lecture, let off with a fine or handed a suspended sentence, it re-enforces their lack of respect for the law. JMO<br /><br />randy:  "Maybe it is time to stop locking them up and start bringing out the cane"<br /><br />Bingo! But will never happen. (when does the right thing happen anymore in today's society?) Look at how much the politicians (and criminals- same thing) are getting away with now....at all levels. Look at the schools and the lack of any respect for authority given by the kids. ( if we just show little Johnny some kindness, he'll straighten up and fly right....as little Johnny laughs at them (and plays them like a cheap violin) Look at the defiant looks on the faces of the criminals....it has become a game to them and the game had it's fear factor taken from it years ago as we became more kind and gentle, thinking we could rehabilitate most of them. It is a joke to pretend that these people will change for the better if we are nice to them. They just laugh and play the system to the hilt with appeal after appeal, release and repeat offense after release......Just wondering what is going through a cops mind when they arrest someone for the 15th time, just to see them back out on the street again in 24 hours. The rules in society have gone down the toilet because we actually pay attention to the ACLU and the other "be kind-criminals have rights" crap. Why? JMO again. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=216">randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;05&nbsp;2012 at 3:43pm<br /><br /><p><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Reading some of the comments on this subject caused me to doa little research. </font></font></p><p>The Middletown City jail holds 80 inmates, in a city of 48K that’s not a lot of jail space. That alone makes it really hard to keep people in jail for the minor crimes. For most major crimes the inmates are sent to Butler County where they can hold close to 1,000 inmates. Both jails are at capacity as of today.&nbsp; That means to lock someone up right now someone has to be let out. So who do you let out? I do agree that things should be much tougher on repeat offenders. But there is nowhere to put them. </p><p>The fact is that Middletown’s crime rate be it petty crime or the more serious crimes are a major issue. The problem affects everyone from business owners to home owners. Is section 8 the cause of all these problems? I have no doubt that the high numbers of vouchers have a played a serious role in the crime in this town. There is a bigger picture to look at. <br></p><div>The bigger picture is this. Number of Prisoners: 1st place is U S: 2,019,234 &amp; 2nd place is China 1,549,000 The U S has 1200 prisons </div><div><br>There are too many people in prison in this county. Look around at the laws that lock up people for the same things over and over again. The prison system itself is soft on the inmates. Cable TV work out rooms and sports and it is all free to them. <br></div><div>No one that has been to prison fears going back;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;I remember years ago a kid (from Dayton I think) was arrested in Singapore for spray painting a car. The law for that crime was to be publically flogged. <br></div><div>Source wikipedia: <br>Michael Peter Fay (born May 30, 1975) is an American who briefly gained international notoriety when he was sentenced to caning in Singapore as an 18-year-old in 1994 for theft and vandalism. Caning is a routine court sentence in Singapore but most Americans were unfamiliar with it, and Fay's case was believed to be the first caning involving an American citizen.&#091;1&#093;<br></div><div>The number of cane strokes in his sentence was reduced from six to four after U.S. officials requested leniency.<br>Michael Fay duly received four strokes of the cane across his bare buttocks on May 5, 1994 at Queenstown Remand Centre. <br></div><div>Do you think that Fay messed with another car in Singapore? Maybe it is time to stop locking them up and start bringing out the cane.&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>]]>
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