Middletown Forum : Council Agenda 7-03-2012 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Manager : Council Agenda 7-03-2012 Tue, 06 Oct 2026 03:31:52 +0000 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:43:44 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4643 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : Regardless ofwhether or... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36833&title=council-agenda-7032012#36833 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 18 2013 at 2:43pm

Regardless of whether or not there is a "Main Street Historical Society" or if that was a mis-statement referring to the "Middletown Historical Society", I believe that here in Middletown we cannot lend much credence to such organizations.
 
After all, didn't such a group vote to grant a "certificate of appropriateness" to PAC to hang a bunch of junk auto hoods on a building right next to some similar phony gaas street lamps a year or so ago???
 
How can "historians" such as that be considered anything but a laughingstock???
]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:43:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36833&title=council-agenda-7032012#36833 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : Well, according to some one I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36832&title=council-agenda-7032012#36832 Author: over the hill
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Posted: Feb 18 2013 at 2:25pm

Well, according to some one I spoke with earlier today, An "unofficial" straw poll done with some of the council members,it appears this thing IS going to pass. Council members are not interested in what the rest of us want. So, I guess all we can do is remember this ,along with the rest of councils decisions in the past,AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY IN NOVEMBER!!!]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:25:20 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36832&title=council-agenda-7032012#36832 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : It really perplexes me that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36831&title=council-agenda-7032012#36831 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 18 2013 at 2:23pm

It really perplexes me that last year they kept referring to this as "period lighting".  I have searched through hundreds (perhaps even thousands) of photos and cannot find any examples of such lighting in Middlletown.
 
Will any Council member have the courage to ask exactly which "period" this lighting is from???
]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:23:45 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36831&title=council-agenda-7032012#36831 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : Vivian:I don't know the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36830&title=council-agenda-7032012#36830 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 18 2013 at 2:17pm

Vivian:
 
I don't know the answer to your question.
All I know is what I read in the workbook, which I quoted exactly in my post. 
 
You'll have to ask Robert E. Nicolls, Senior Engineer for the City, who prepared the staff report for that section of the workbook from which the quote was taken (page 101 of 127).
 
Sorry that I couldn't be of more help.
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Posted: Feb 18 2013 at 10:03am

Mike Presta - “After consideration by the Main Street Historical Society and City Council, staff recommends approval of an assessment amount equaling 15% more than the original estimated assessment which totals approximately $222,000. This will be combined with additional funding provided by the Historical Society ($11,100) to create a budget of $233,100 to be spent on decorative lighting. The street light spacing will be adjusted to maximize the number of light fixtures provided within this budgeted amount once current pricing from Duke Energy is obtained.”

Mike do we have a Main Street Historical Society or was this $11,000 donation made by the Middletown Historical Society?

 

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Posted: Feb 16 2013 at 11:23pm

Like to know how many of the "SNOBS" of South  Main Street helped out cleaning the "Historical Sorg Opera House?"My guess would be none.
Seems like if they try to force these lights upon us knowing how most people feel about it,is there "LEGAL" action we can take against the city?As it has been said before,Put it to a vote and lets see what happens.
I know it cost money to put something on the ballot so why dont the "SNOBS" put up that 11,000.00 to help out the cost?
Kind of reminds me of when the whole "SUNCHOKE" was voted on.Are "SPINELESS ONES" didnt care one bit that it was being built by a Retiremeant Home,a Elementary School and a neighborhood. They just cared about kissing AK Steels A$$.Thumbs Up
]]> Sat, 16 Feb 2013 23:23:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36811&title=council-agenda-7032012#36811 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : And finally:Here is a... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36810&title=council-agenda-7032012#36810 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 16 2013 at 9:21pm

And finally:
Here is a photo of the Jacoby Building, circa 1890. (It sits on the present location of the HISTORIC Pendelton Art Center!
 
Can anyone see any Gas street lamp posts???
 
Now ... I'll sit by quietly and wait for someone to post historically accurate pictures showing all of the public gas street lamps lining the streets of Middletown.
 
If no one can do so, then the people on South Main Street are NOT trying to "preserve", "restore", or "replicate" history.  They are trying to redecorate their properties to their own tastes and standards at PUBLIC EXPENSE, with the City government and the Historic Society being willing accomplices in perpetrating this fraud.
]]> Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:21:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36810&title=council-agenda-7032012#36810 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : ... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36808&title=council-agenda-7032012#36808 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 16 2013 at 8:56pm

Sorg Opera House 1895.From Library Lens at MidPointe Library Systems.

Where are the gas lights???

 

Old Methodist Church onBroad Street (Library lens)

Where are the gas lights???

Downtown in the “horseand wagon” days.

Does anyone see any gas lamps???

Sorg residence (fromFlicker)

See any PUBLIC street gas lamp posts???

The John Philip SousaBand on Main Street in 1898 (Middletown Library)

See any Gas lamp posts???

Very earliest picture ofthe Sorg mansion that I could find (even before the turrets were added) with aMiddletown Fire Department horse-drawn wagon in the forefront.

Does anyone see any gas street lamps???

 

]]> Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:56:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36808&title=council-agenda-7032012#36808 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : Oh, and let's not... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36806&title=council-agenda-7032012#36806 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 16 2013 at 5:01pm

Oh, and let's not forget this:
 
There is absolutely NO RECORD of this area (or any other area of the city) having had a public gas street light system at any time in Middletown's history!!!  (There have been some private gas lamp posts privately installed as I have suggested above.)
 
Think that I'm wrong???  Show me!!!  How about it, Middletown Historical Society???  With your $11,000 "investment", you are trying to RE-WRITE Middletown's history, not "preserve" it!!!
]]> Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:01:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36806&title=council-agenda-7032012#36806 Council Agenda 7-03-2012 : Well, here we... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4643&PID=36804&title=council-agenda-7032012#36804 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Feb 16 2013 at 4:46pm

Well, here we go again!!! The samesmall group feels entitled to have their “wants” catered to for theirenjoyment, but with the rest of the citizenry footing the bill.  Consider the following from page 101/127 ofthe 2/19/2012 City Council workbook:

 

“Afterconsideration by the Main Street Historical Society and City Council, staff recommends approval of anassessment amount equaling 15% more than the original estimated assessment whichtotals approximately $222,000. This will be combined with additional funding providedby the HistoricalSociety ($11,100) to create a budgetof $233,100 to be spent on decorative lighting. The street light spacing will be adjusted tomaximize the number of light fixtures provided within this budgeted amount oncecurrent pricing from Duke Energy is obtained.”

 

The “Main Street Historical Society”,in effect, gets to levy a tax on the rest of Middletown’s citizens to pay forthe electricity for their decorative lights every month from now until the endof time!!!  And of course there is thematter of the ancient sewer laterals that will be encountered duringconstruction, which will necessarily lead to a significant amount of legitimateclaims for “extra” construction costs by the contractors.  Any guesses who will be stuck for these???

 

The sad part is that there is such anobvious solution:  anyone who so desirescan install decorative lampposts and gas or electric lights right on their ownproperty, but just a few feet away on the other side of the sidewalk!!!  They can do this at their own expense, withthe monthly utility costs run through their own meters to their own accounts.  They can achieve the SAME RESULTS and leavethe rest of us (who will receive no benefits) out of it!!!

 

So WHY do they insist on having therest of us pay for it???

 

By the way, please consider Mayor O'bamigan's remark on 1/30/2012 when he advocated cutting funding on some things that were NOT in his front yard: “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012

 

Well, Mayor Obamigan, will these decorative lamposts and lights "necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them" until the end of time???  (And I mean for the rest of us Middletonians...not just for you and your family!!!)

 

And where did the Middletown Historical Society get an extra 11 Grand to throw around???  I thought that they were needy and looking for handouts themselves???

 

 

 

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