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   <title>Demolitions : If i remember over 40. The State...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=797">ground swat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2012 at 10:50am<br /><br />If i remember over 40. The State recommends know more than the number of Depts. that you have. Certainly know more than a dozen. This should be addresed by council, who would allow for this much chance for poor accounting.&nbsp; ]]>
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   <title>Demolitions :   &#226;&#8364;&#339;This could clearly wipe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=313">Bocephus</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;08&nbsp;2012 at 1:55pm<br /><br />“This could clearly wipe out one of our last remaining funds for projects,” she said of the city’s downtown fund, which has about $800,000. “It’s unfortunate. We have talked with our insurance company, we’ve looked at a variety of other resources. There may be a grant out there that (Economic Development Manager) Denise (Hamet) is working on pursuing, but it’s doubtful.”<div></div>One of our last remaining funds ??? How many do they have and why did they lay off Police and Firemen in the 1st place if we had all these funds to use???<br>]]>
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   <title>Demolitions : Another great reason why the city...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;08&nbsp;2012 at 6:44am<br /><br />Another great reason why the city needs to be in the real estate business!!!<br /><br />Building demolition to cost city at least $500K<br /><br />By Michael D. Pitman<br /><br />Staff Writer <br /><br />MIDDLETOWN — <br />A partial roof collapse of the Orman building on North Verity Parkway — which caused debris to block the adjacent railroad track — is forcing the city to demolish it sooner than anticipated.<br /><br />City officials were notified July 27 the roof had collapsed on the northeast wing of the city-owned building at 500 N. Verity Parkway.<br /><br />Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins the roof is now pushing on the exterior walls. He said the railroad track the debris fell on is active and is being used by “one of our major employers that has a major shipment coming on Aug. 18 and would incurr significant losses if the spur is not cleared by that day.”<br /><br />That employer is Wausau Paper Co., 700 Columbua Ave.<br /><br />Vickers Wrecking has been hired to stabilize the collapsing wall and roof for 30 to 90 days and clear the rail for the anticipated shipment for the paper company. The contract will cost the city $75,000.<br /><br />Adkins said the stabilization is only meant as a “band-aide.”<br /><br />The city sent out bid packets last week asking companies for cost estimates to raze the vacant city-owned building. Bid packets are due back to the city on Monday. The building was not on any schedule for demolition.<br /><br />Adkins said it could take 60 to 90 days to demolish the building.<br /><br />City Manager Judy Gilleland said a rough estimate on demolition is between $500,000 to $1 million.<br /><br />“This could clearly wipe out one of our last remaining funds for projects,” she said of the city’s downtown fund, which has about $800,000. “It’s unfortunate. We have talked with our insurance company, we’ve looked at a variety of other resources. There may be a grant out there that (Economic Development Manager) Denise (Hamet) is working on pursuing, but it’s doubtful.”<br /><br />Gilleland said the city has been put in “a reactive situation and we need to take care of the issue<br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 06:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Demolitions : City Manager&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s  Weekly Briefing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2012 at 8:17am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Default><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">City Manager’s </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Default><FONT size=3><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Weekly Briefing </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Default><FONT size=3><?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:date Day="31" Year="2012" M&#111;nth="7"><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">July 31, 2012</SPAN></B></st1:date><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Default><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Default><FONT size=3><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Orman</SPAN></B></st1:PlaceName><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></B><st1:Place><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Building</SPAN></B></st1:place></st1:place><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> on </SPAN></B><st1:Street><st1:address><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Verity Parkway</SPAN></B></st1:address></st1:Street><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: text; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>The City has owned this building for 5 or 6 years now, receiving it free through the foreclosure process. Sadly, it is beginning to collapse and we need to address the situation. We are getting prices for two alternatives: 1) demo a portion of the building that is falling down and 2) demo the entire structure. The reason why we are not automtically considering the entire structure is because of the cost. It could run from <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: red">$500,000 - $1,000,000</SPAN></B> for the entire structure. And so we will gather more info and bring to council in the near future for a decision.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Demolitions : Are they going to demo the $500,000...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;29&nbsp;2012 at 1:39pm<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Are they going to demo the $500,000 house owned formerly by the General Manager of AK (KR) now up at Mansfield, across from the former home of Dr. Watson, that has been vacant with weeds growing 4 ft tall, with windows open, after foreclosure, where the owners walked away, after realizing they lost 60% of their equity a few months after buying it?&nbsp; <BR><BR>What about the First Financial Building? Surprised LM spent more time getting pictures with BB and the SunCoke folks, than finding a buyer for the building, or at least, a tenant.&nbsp;<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3>Acclao<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>The new Landing Banking legislation for 2.1 million can only be used for demo.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>However this same legislation allows City Hall to purchase foreclosed property and clear the deed of any liens and back taxes. The question is where will City Hall get the money to invest and rehab these properties to be sold at a later date? <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Also when we clear these deeds we loose all the back taxes on these properties so we have fewer funds for the city coffers. <BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Mr. Adkins stated that City Hall would “hand pick” the properties that they would invest in. Will MMF be involved in picking and evaluating these properties is still unknown? </P><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Talking about MMF...what is their real roll in any of these projects? Why did we give them $75,000?<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;29&nbsp;2012 at 12:37pm<br /><br />Are they going to demo the $500,000 house owned formerly by the General Manager of AK (KR) now up at Mansfield, across from the former home of Dr. Watson, that has been vacant with weeds growing 4 ft tall, with windows open, after foreclosure, where the owners walked away, after realizing they lost 60% of their equity a few months after buying it?&nbsp; <br><br>What about the First Financial Building? Surprised LM spent more time getting pictures with BB and the SunCoke folks, than finding a buyer for the building, or at least, a tenant.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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   <title>Demolitions : I noticed that Dura Slate was...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;29&nbsp;2012 at 12:27pm<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">I noticed that Dura Slate was removing the roof from the old <?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Baptist</st1:PlaceName> <st1:Place>Church</st1:place></st1:place> on <st1:Street><st1:address>South Main Street,</st1:address></st1:Street> built in 1906. Mr Kohler stated that when all the valuable items are removed the church will be demoed before winter.<BR><BR>The Hardlines Design Company on <st1:date Year="2012" Day="21" M&#111;nth="7">July 21, 2012</st1:date> did a full assessment of the old Rose Furniture Company, <st1:Street><st1:address>36 South Main Street</st1:address></st1:Street> at a cost of $4,900. The roof has a large hole in it that has caused a great deal of damage to the interior of the building. The fate of this building is unknown at this time.</FONT><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></P>]]>
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   <title>Demolitions :    Can Ohio City&amp;#039;s File...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;21&nbsp;2012 at 9:08pm<br /><br />Can Ohio City's File Chapter 9 Banruptcy?<div><br>How many Butler County Section 8 residents (having vouchers issued by Butler County) live in Middletown?<br><br>How many Residents from other states who have Section 8 have moved to Middetown (as once you have a voucher, the voucher goes with you)?<br><br>Pacman<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Cool" /></div>]]>
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   <title>Demolitions :    greygoose wrote:VV, MikeP,  Wow&#226;&#8364;&#166;&#226;&#8364;&#166;...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;19&nbsp;2012 at 5:59pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by greygoose" alt="Originally posted by greygoose" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>greygoose wrote:</strong><br /><br />VV, MikeP,<br><br>Wow…… I just provided you the stongest evidence out there other than a census and you still want to maintain your postion? Were there some folks that moved to Middletown to get on a shorter list…..probably. Does that equate to Middletown becoming a magnate for the poor…absolutely not. Vivian has it right….. there were a large chunk of folks that transferred from public housing to the voucher program. It is OK to change your position on a subject when new information is presented to you. I agree that Section 8 has not been good for our city, but it did not result in a migration of the poor that you suggest…..it just helped to institutionalize the poor folks that already lived here.<br><br>GG<br></td></tr></table><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Greygoose,<div></div></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I might accept your criticism regarding my “position”except for the following reasons:<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;" ="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial;'><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">1.<span style='font: 7ptormal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: n&#111;ne; font-stretch: normal;'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Ihave never taken a “position” on Section 8, and I defy you to quote anysupposed “position” that you think I have taken and cite the source.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>I have occasionally complimented individualson specific arguments (regardless of which side of the issue they have taken),and I have occasionally injected informational posts into threads on the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;" ="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial;'><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">2.<span style='font: 7ptormal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: n&#111;ne; font-stretch: normal;'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Ibelieve that my recollections regarding the “local residency preference” areaccurate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>I provided it because I watchlocal (city) government and politics as close or closer than nearly anyone elseon this forum (if not in this city) and I thought that I could help clear up apossible misunderstanding.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>I did NOTtake a “position” in that post.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Ibelieve that it also explains a possible bias in the “letter from the RegionalHUD Director”.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>The figures reported toHUD would only report voucher given to local residents.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>They would not differentiate whether or notthe “local residents” were long-term or had just barely qualified.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;" ="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial;'><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">3.<span style='font: 7ptormal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: n&#111;ne; font-stretch: normal;'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Itwas Middletown City officials, not I, that explained that Middletown’s voucherwaiting list was much shorter than all surrounding cities and that people weremoving here to establish residency and get on our local residency list.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>This was in response to a question from aCity Council member about limiting vouchers to local residents after hearingthat many of the voucher-holders causing problems were from out-of-town.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>If you cannot understand the difference between alongstanding city resident and someone who has been a resident only long enoughto meet the definition mandated to receive a preferential treatment regardingvouchers, or if you disagree that ignoring that difference can be “a bitdeceiving”, then we will just have to disagree.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>But then it is you that refuses to “change your position on a subjectwhen new information is presented to you,” not I.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Also, I actually agree with your premise that the Section8 program has helped to institutionalize some of the long-time residents whoare poor. <o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Demolitions : Ok, OK, OK........  In theory..........</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1126">greygoose</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4651<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;17&nbsp;2012 at 5:22pm<br /><br />Ok, OK, OK........<br /><br />In theory....... it could happen. I was asked to provide proof that it didn't happen and posted a letter from the Regional HUD Director that stated that it didn't. If you want to believe otherwise, knock yourself out! I tend do believe what HUD has to say about the matter. <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="middle" /><br /><br />GG  ]]>
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