Middletown Forum : CITIES GOING BROKE http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : CITIES GOING BROKE Tue, 06 Oct 2026 14:42:39 +0000 Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:16:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4711 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ CITIES GOING BROKE : LMAO wrote: Would someone... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34498&title=cities-going-broke#34498 Author: Bocephus
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Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 10:16pm

Originally posted by LMAO LMAO wrote:

Would someone please buy A.J. a toy firetruck.LOL
 
LOLLOLLOL
]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:16:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34498&title=cities-going-broke#34498 CITIES GOING BROKE : lrisner wrote:Vet, you have... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34491&title=cities-going-broke#34491 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 12:44pm

Originally posted by lrisner lrisner wrote:

Vet, you have clearly proven that you ARE just mad because the city employees have better bens than you. Something I always suspected. That is the "childish" thing I have referred to many times. As to what they do get in bens and pay, i have said many times that if you think that their total compensation is too high, then you can argue that if you like and we can compare their compensation to similar jobs and see if they are overpaid. Your ranting about bens is just stupid and childish. I was right after all, at least in your case.Grow up.



Thank you Irisner for the critique. I will take your words of wisdom under advisement. I cherish every criticism concerning my personality, especially coming from one who is as knowledgeable as you on people assessment. I feel confident that your more mature approach will certainly set a benchmark for me to follow in the future. You are a joy to communicate with and I look forward to your more positive thinking to set that example. Thank you so much, bud. ]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:44:54 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34491&title=cities-going-broke#34491 CITIES GOING BROKE : Would someone please buy A.J.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34484&title=cities-going-broke#34484 Author: LMAO
Subject: 4711
Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 9:40am

Would someone please buy A.J. a toy firetruck.LOL]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:40:06 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34484&title=cities-going-broke#34484 CITIES GOING BROKE : Vet, you have clearly proven that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34483&title=cities-going-broke#34483 Author: lrisner
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Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 6:54am

Vet, you have clearly proven that you ARE just mad because the city employees have better bens than you. Something I always suspected. That is the "childish" thing I have referred to many times. As to what they do get in bens and pay, i have said many times that if you think that their total compensation is too high, then you can argue that if you like and we can compare their compensation to similar jobs and see if they are overpaid.

Your ranting about bens is just stupid and childish. I was right after all, at least in your case.

Grow up.


]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:54:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34483&title=cities-going-broke#34483 CITIES GOING BROKE : chmoore1 wrote: Vet:  Bottom... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34481&title=cities-going-broke#34481 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 6:13am

Originally posted by chmoore1 chmoore1 wrote:



Vet:  Bottom line is, we agree on this problem being too big to resolve.  All I was looking for was for you to stop excluding yourself from the "problem" side.  This is the first time that I know of that you have included yourself with the masses.  Previously, you always made it sound like "all of these other people are wasting my money."  Now, you understand that you have also been within the system.  I'm not excluding myself, either.  It's part of the culture that we live in. Friends?  "I've got my share of friends. How 'bout you? Do you have any that will admit it?"  I have you beat on the friends' deal  I have one more than you have----I have you.    chmoore


Hell, I knew I was part of the problem because I'm one of many who keeps allowing the ones who run the city to conduct "business as usual" while doing nothing more than complaining about the way they do their jobs. I am as guilty as the rest for allowing them to continue their ways instead of organizing and making the change needed. Same way at the state and national levels too. We all complain....we all want to do something about it.... we all want to "throw the bums out"..but for me, I can't find the solution to make people want to actually organize, especially in this town. You can't get more than 10 people to show up at meetings. I don't have a clue why people won't come to the meetings that have transpired over the years. Lazy? Too many family activities and no time for community meetings to change things? Enough interest to complain but not quite enough to act? No clue what is happening in this town? Don't care what is happening in this town? Or all of the above? Dunno. But I do know this.....the city leaders are counting on this to continue as it does them a tremendous favor by not having to worry about any citizen resistance nor recalls. They love our apathy....and we are losing the battle because of it. They win everytime because we don't have enough people to force the issues. We are no threat and they know it. Sad.]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:13:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34481&title=cities-going-broke#34481 CITIES GOING BROKE : Vet: Bottom line is, we agree... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34479&title=cities-going-broke#34479 Author: chmoore1
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Posted: Aug 21 2012 at 5:22pm

Vet:  Bottom line is, we agree on this problem being too big to resolve.  All I was looking for was for you to stop excluding yourself from the "problem" side.  This is the first time that I know of that you have included yourself with the masses.  Previously, you always made it sound like "all of these other people are wasting my money."  Now, you understand that you have also been within the system.  I'm not excluding myself, either.  It's part of the culture that we live in. Friends?  "I've got my share of friends. How 'bout you? Do you have any that will admit it?"  I have you beat on the friends' deal  I have one more than you have----I have you.    chmoore
]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:22:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34479&title=cities-going-broke#34479 CITIES GOING BROKE : And so it is ch. "The day... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34469&title=cities-going-broke#34469 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Aug 21 2012 at 8:06am

And so it is ch.

"The day when Viet Vet has finally had to admit that he is part of the problem, and not part of the solution"

I was cast into the "problem" as it involves working in this "wasteful" environment due to requirements of the job. The situation is too large for either of us to find a solution. Are you part of the solution? Have you found the answers? Unless you're the poster boy for the solution for government waste, your criticism of me is misdirected and really has no value. You too, are part of the problem if you have worked in the public sector as to waste of taxpayer dollars.

"Oh, by the way, is my coffee ready?"

If you qualify with a background check and have a need to be on base, come and get your coffee bud. Got a hot cup right here for you. While here, you can enjoy all that your tax money buys. We might even let you go the gym or grab a chair or two out of the dumpster for the old house.

"What a hypocrite"

Aren't we all to some extent? glass houses ch. glass houses.

"You must be a joy to work with"

I've got my share of friends. How 'bout you? Do you have any that will admit it?

EVERYONE DOES IT TO SOME DEGREE." My point exactly

Uhh, that "EVERYONE" includes you ch. Why are you excluding yourself from this when you are a part of that "EVERYONE"? ]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:06:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34469&title=cities-going-broke#34469 CITIES GOING BROKE : Vet: it is indeed a glorious... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34467&title=cities-going-broke#34467 Author: chmoore1
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Posted: Aug 21 2012 at 7:33am

Vet: it is indeed a glorious day.  The day when Viet Vet has finally had to admit that he is part of the problem, and not part of the solution.  The day that he has had to stand in front of the mirror and admit that everything that he has complained about with government waste and the almighty taxpayer dollar is the same thing that he has participated in for years.  And with no apology. In fact, you want an attaboy because you make coffee for the "team."  I've never claimed to be a saint.  All I tried to do is make you understand that your rants about how people waste your precious tax-dollar is precisely what you do. "If you're gonna fire all who use the computers here on base for personal reasons such as reading on-line newspapers,etc., you will need to fire the entire base personnel including contractors, government workers and the military people too. EVERYONE DOES IT TO SOME DEGREE."  My point exactly!  In your mind, firing everyone in the third most costly government-spending realm (yes, I said it---the "military") is what you've been spouting for years.  So stop bitching about it.  I have simply employed YOUR tactic of trying to be the waste-watcher and time-manager on this blog.   What a hypocrite.  You can't argue the facts, and when you get cornered your reaction is "well everybody does it."  You must be a joy to work with.   Oh, by the way, is my coffee ready?   chmoore]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:33:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34467&title=cities-going-broke#34467 CITIES GOING BROKE : OK ch. I won't waste my time... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34466&title=cities-going-broke#34466 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Aug 21 2012 at 6:29am

OK ch. I won't waste my time nor yours discussing the differences between the public and private sectors. We obviously will never agree on this topic so both of us are wasting our time on the one-upsmanship thing. You continue to enjoy your side of the fence and I'll enjoy mine.

By the way, I'm here at work on YOUR government computer, but I am on my time....my choice for some peace and quiet. It is 5:58AM and I don't start until 7:30AM. Been getting to work 1 1/2 -2 hours early for 6 years now. Open the labs, turn on lab equipment and make coffee for the people coming in at the regular time. No one else in the frikkin' parking lot. Does that rate an atta-boy on your surveillance of my time since you are the self-imposed spokesperson for the taxpayer.....(I'm a card carrying taxpayer also, by the way)....or doesn't that get me anything on your grading scale?

If you're gonna fire all who use the computers here on base for personal reasons such as reading on-line newspapers,etc., you will need to fire the entire base personnel including contractors, government workers and the military people too. EVERYONE DOES IT TO SOME DEGREE. Quit being so naive. It's government run. Hell, they let us have access to You Tube. Got some other news for you too ch. Since you are the Tax Money Time Ranger and are so concerned about the use of time on base for YOUR tax dollars invested, there is a base gym where active/retired military, active/retired government people and contractors go to exercise. They take anywhere from and hour to 2 hours to do so. They even shower afterwards which wastes more of your precious tax dollars. And YOU helped pay for the gym! Some people even leave base for lunch and take more than an hour to eat. Others go to retirement or job transfer gatherings at a restaurant and take more than their alloted time to do so. Dam 'em!!!! And hey!....you wouldn't believe what they throw away in the dumpsters here on base. Chairs, tables.....all paid for by YOUR tax money. Might want to put that down in your little book of time/money wasting catastrophes (with YOUR tax money of course) ch, there is time management waste in the military, public and private sectors and in union and non-union shops. I wouldn't get my panties in a knot about my situation. ALL of us do it, no matter where you work. Been going on for decades. I'm quite sure you have had your share of time wasting over the years too, ESPECIALLY if you have worked in the academic or public sector worlds. You ain't no saint on this either. glass houses ch, glass houses.

And now, if you don't mind ch, I'll read the Journal on-line. ]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:29:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34466&title=cities-going-broke#34466 CITIES GOING BROKE : Vet: you're so full of... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34461&title=cities-going-broke#34461 Author: chmoore1
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Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 11:35pm

Vet: you're so full of baloney it's not funny. What--you work for a government contractor and don't get paid from tax money?.  "The Air Force is but one small segment of my company's business clients.  All of the funds collected for both private companies as well as the government is placed in one big pot...."  Ok, so SOME of the money is "government" money. "The money collected from government contracts at WP does not translate to usage only for employees who do government work."  What in the world does that mean? (By the way, I didn't exclude you from being a taxpayer.)  If you earn $10.00 from tax money, it's money collected by "our" taxes. As you complain about the city and school districts, I have the right to know what you're doing on the job.  Yes, I've heard of "down-time."  That doesn't mean that you have the right to perform personal business on a government supplied computer. Private businesses---and, yes, public entities---have strict policies of not using business computers for personal use.  Another goody: "You are not paying my wages and benefits. The public doesn't pay the wages/bennies on private sector jobs. The private sector companies obtain their money through customer money paid for work done and from that, company operations, wages and bennies are paid."  The public doesn't pay the wages/bennies on private sector jobs?  Are you in a fog?  Monroe and Middletown "outsourced" transportation (Petermann), food services (Sodexo) and custodial to Sodexo.  In case you missed it, Sodexo and Petermann are PRIVATE companies, and they don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts. THEY BILL THE DISTRICTS FOR ALL SERVICES---INCLUDING WAGES/BENNIES.  So, I guess you aren't concerned about how much is charged to "your tax dollars" by the city and school district?  You are trying to argue both sides---whatever is convenient---and it's not working.  Whether I know anything about "research work" isn't pertinent.  So you have down time.  Stay off  of the government computer for your personal enjoyment.  It's not work related.  Play solitaire with a deck of cards, read a newspaper.  And, I have never defended a public or private union on any of these blogs.  I will, however, point out your fallicies when they appear.  You very readily throw out generalizations that aren't accurate, and I'll call you on it when I read it.   Complain all you want, but be accurate in your statements.    chmoore]]> Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:35:39 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4711&PID=34461&title=cities-going-broke#34461