Middletown Forum : Orman Building Demo

Orman Building Demo : The hoe on the left is a Kobelco...

Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:05:03 +0000

Author: 409
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 23 2012 at 11:05am

The hoe on the left is a Kobelco SK200. The Bobcat I referenced in an earlier post is actually a Mustang.

Orman Building Demo : Photo copied from 8/14/2012...

Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:30:43 +0000

Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 23 2012 at 9:30am

Photo copied from 8/14/2012 Facebook post by W. Pence, showing both backhoes.

Orman Building Demo : CHMoore, Not...

Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:59:15 +0000

Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 23 2012 at 8:59am

CHMoore,

Not to nit-pick or to start an argument, but just toclarify:

There were actually TWO backhoes working thisproject. The large Caterpillar and asmaller hoe (I can’t recognize the make—see the picture on the left posted by409 on14 Aug 2012 at 6:12pm).

I haven’t done any estimating since 1996 or ’97, but backthen your hourly rate figure would’ve been too high for the smaller hoe, andmaybe about right ($150 to 200, renting by the hour) for the big Cat). Your guess for inflation since 1997 is as good as mine (and probably better, if you've been doing estimating since then).

Also, the big hoe (the Cat) used a hydraulic shear, not abucket, part of the time. There is an additionalrental/equipment usage charge for shears and/or hydraulic rams that can run ashigh as 50% of the charge for the hoe. (Hard to believe, I know, but it is true.) This second hoe also means that another operator is needed.

Finally, to be fair to the City Manager, I recall hersaying at the last council meeting that she wasn’t certain of the exact costbut was sure that it was LESS than $50,000. Maybe it was way less??? Let’swait and see—hopefully it will be less than $25,000.

Orman Building Demo : Ground/Bill: I have experience...

Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:25:02 +0000

Author: chmoore1
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 23 2012 at 2:25am

Ground/Bill: I have experience with "emergency" work. First, this wasn't really "emergency work"---they had several days to line this up. "Emergency" is, this water main broke and you need to respond within one hour, and stay on the job 24 hours a day until it is finished." Whatever it takes. Send me 10 men and let's go. By photo evidence, it started on the morning of August 14th. One hoe, one operator, one worker hosing the dust, and, perhaps, a third operating a front end loader. Apparently, whatever wasn't reclaimed (large beams) was dropped in the basement and not hauled off. Project was finished by 3:39, August 16th. No evidence of overnight work. So, hoe and operator at, say, $200.00/hr (hoe $125.00, operator $75.00/hr.) X 24 (8 X 3 days) equals $4,800. 24 hours labor for 2 other employees @ $50.00/hr. each equals $2,400. Move-in, move-out, 4 hours (generous) @ $50.00/hr. equals $200.00. Misc. materials (plastic protective fencing, etc.) say, $2,000 to be generous equals $2,000. Water for hosing, let's say $1,000 to be generous (water might even have been supplied by the city at no charge). Even if some disposal was involved, let's again be generous and say $5,000. Let's see what we have: $4,800 + $2,400 + $200.00 + $2,000 + $1,000 + $5,000 = $15,400. Yeah, that really gets close to $50,000 real fast. Can you think of anything that was left out for $35,000? Also, don't forget that the city has to have an agreement with a demolition company to respond to this type of project relatively quickly. With as many buildings as the city has demolished recently, this should have been relatively routine. Just for the sake of argument, let's up the equipment cost to $200/hr., up $75/hr. X 24 hours; add another $1,800. Total, $17,200. Uh, yeah, I did do project estimates for a number of years. chmoore

Orman Building Demo : "Still pretty high for 3...

Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:25:51 +0000

Author: Bill
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 9:25pm

"Still pretty high for 3 days work." Spoken like someone who has never run a business. This kind of equipment costs big time money, plus the quick, emergency service premium as mentioned above.

I wonder if the city got multiple bids and tried to negotiate. Guessing not.

Orman Building Demo : Details......unless you do this...

Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:04:04 +0000

Author: ground swat
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 9:04pm

Details......unless you do this for a living. It's expensive when you have to call on a emergency. Hauling/Dumping to clear it quickly costs $$. You want quick service you pay. This town doesn't know what pro-active means.

Orman Building Demo : Still pretty high for 3 days...

Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:45:11 +0000

Author: chmoore1
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 6:45pm

Still pretty high for 3 days work. chmoore

Orman Building Demo : Ms Judy stated at last nights...

Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:59:16 +0000

Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 10:59am

Ms Judy stated at last nights council meeting that City Hall paid less than $50,000 for the demo of this small section of the Orman Building.

Orman Building Demo : In this round of demolition...

Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:56:56 +0000

Author: 409
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 4:56pm

In this round of demolition there was no debris disposal. With the exception of salvaging large wood beams, the debris was simply compacted with a bulldozer into the lower level. This section had wood beams instead of steel, similar to the old Sorg buildings.

This was posted above. (Bobcat carrying a large wood beam)

Orman Building Demo : Were there no steel I beams to...

Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:38:45 +0000

Author: John Beagle
Subject: 4714
Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 1:38pm

Were there no steel I beams to be recycled?