Middletown Forum : Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Community Revitalization : Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? Wed, 07 Oct 2026 07:05:17 +0000 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:05:45 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4757 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : ktf1179, as I recall I believe... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34768&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34768 Author: Neil Barille
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Posted: Sep 15 2012 at 10:05am

ktf1179, as I recall I believe you said you were from Springboro.  With all due respect, people don't move into areas because they're so "special".  They move in because there's plenty of land to develop new homes, the schools have a good reputation, and the area is conveniently located.  Springboro was not any more magical than Mason, West Chester, or Lebanon.  They were all well positioned for suburban development.  Middletown fails on all three criteria mentioned above.  You could argue the east end is position well for a couple working in Cincy and Dayton but that's about it.  The reality is that Middletown is what it is -- a decaying urban one-company town.  Can things be done to fight off the erosion? Does the town has a few positive attributes?  Is there any hope of a better tax base here?  Yes, yes, and yes.  But to think the town will realistically be a destination (in the next decade or more)  or have a "brighter future" is not something I would bet on.]]> Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:05:45 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34768&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34768 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : Nagy Excuse me for being so ignorant... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34767&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34767 Author: Middletown29
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 15 2012 at 9:37am

Nagy

Excuse me for being so ignorant]]> Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:37:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34767&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34767 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : The sad thing is that it is very... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34760&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34760 Author: ktf1179
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 9:34am

The sad thing is that it is very hard for most downtown's to survive, with the suburban sprawl mentality. I find it ironic that people would rather drive to The Greene, with its fake downtown environment to shop, than go to Downtown Dayton, Cincinnati, and even Middletown.

And lets face it Downtown Middletown is to far away, and hard to get to from I-75. And no one wants to bother trying to get there to shop when they can find all their convinces right by I-75. The only reason I go to Downtown Middletown is to get the Cheap Gas at UDF :)

Then you throw in the crime, drug and prostitution problem of most Downtown environments, and it leads to a a death of downtown. Would you want to raise a family in that type environment? Most people would say NO.

What the City should be doing with the money and loans is re-invest on the Eastern, and Northern sides of Middletown. By simply repaving the roads, and attracting Middle to high income home builders to develop the remaining land that Middletown has.

Then the city should focus on Eminent domain, Tear down and redevelop the high crime section 8 parts of the city.

Then the city needs to enforce it's city Ordinances on home owners and bushiness. The need to fine the crap out of people who allow the following; grass 1 foot tall, crack and chipped side walks, cars parked in the street that has not moved in over 6 months, grass that has over grown the sidewalk so much you are left with a small path to walk through. If you begin to fine these people, you will get extra revenue, and your city will begin to look better to outside people.

After all that is met, then you can focus on Downtown.

When you take care of the people who live in your city, you will find that that word of mouth from your citizens, and visitors will spread, and begin to attract people back to your city.

Word of mouth is a powerful thing. It was what got people to take notice of Springboro in the 80's. People began to move to Springboro from Centerville, Miamisburg, Kettering and yes even Middletown, because the residents were telling their friends and family about how special this village was. And the next thing we knew there was a flood of new development all over Springboro in the 90's and 2000's. The
same thing can happen again in Middletown if the residents, business, and city want it to.







]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 09:34:16 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34760&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34760 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : M29, You obviously don't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34759&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34759 Author: Paul Nagy
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 8:48am

M29,
      You obviously don't have the intelligence to realize I was using the federal scenario as an example. So, why don't you take a real good look at Rhodes blog and digest it thoroughly. You are very superficial and have no real interest in truth or the issues on this forum.
         Paul Nagy
]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34759&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34759 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : M29, Spiderjohn already gave a... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34758&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34758 Author: Rhodes
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 7:07am

M29, Spiderjohn already gave a perfect response to your post. Nobody on this site has a problem with the government investing in the local economy. That's not the reason for the complaints. What people do have a problem with is a non-established business taking a risk on tax dollars that they never repay. Low or no interest loans from the city to back a business' growth is not the same thing as spending a half million on an art center that was not needed nor has it improved the downtown. If the PAC hadn't been able to grab some of the former business of the Manchester Hotel for banquet spaces, it would be an even more obvious flop.

The problem with the downtown love crowd is you all have blind ambition going on and are wanting others to fund it. It's never going to happen. The demographics do not support it. The location does not support it. It's on the far side of the city, surrounded by low income neighborhoods. Aside from a few historic buildings, what else does the area offer? It's a joke.]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:07:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34758&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34758 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : Middletown29 wrote:Presta The... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34757&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34757 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 7:05am

Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Presta
The main street folks are not complaining about loans to others while they receive them.
So,,,they DID receive below market-rate loans from the taxpayers!!!
 
Did they also receive grants, or have those loans forgiven???
 
Were Kohler and Mulligan among the receipients???
]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:05:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34757&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34757 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : Presta The main street folks are... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34753&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34753 Author: Middletown29
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 5:43am

Presta
The main street folks are not complaining about loans to others while they receive them.]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:43:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34753&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34753 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : Nagy Wasn't talking about... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34752&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34752 Author: Middletown29
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 5:42am

Nagy
Wasn't talking about federal loans from Pelosi, was talking about City of Middletown loans to local businesses.]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:42:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34752&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34752 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : Middletown29:Are you still... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34750&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34750 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 14 2012 at 3:28am

Middletown29:
Are you still working on that list of South Main Street property owners who have gotten grants, reduced interest loans, and the like from the taxpayers???  It sure is taking you a long time.  There must be more than even I had suspected!!!
 
We eagerly await your list!!!
]]> Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:28:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34750&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34750 Did MUSA's spiderjohn get City loan? : No! It is not a legitimate... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4757&PID=34748&title=did-musas-spiderjohn-get-city-loan#34748 Author: Paul Nagy
Subject: 4757
Posted: Sep 13 2012 at 8:17pm

No! It is not a legitimate issue. The federal government gives loans and grants to some small businesses. Those small businesses who received legitimate loans have every right and should complain when the federal government gives corrupt and illegal loans to their cronies and pals like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and their friends and family members. We all have the right to complain anytime there is corruption. If you don't see the difference you need to sit down and have a talk with a logician and a psychiatrist. You're logic and manipulative tactics stink.
        Paul Nagy

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