Middletown Forum : School Replacement / Levy http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : School Tax Issues : School Replacement / Levy Mon, 05 Oct 2026 12:00:55 +0000 Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:23:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4855 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ School Replacement / Levy : I'd rather pay for the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36378&title=school-replacement-levy#36378 Author: Pacman
Subject: 4855
Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 6:23pm

I'd rather pay for the new school bond issue than to be forced to pay the mortgage for an over built Senior Center.

PacmanCool
 
a disable senior citizen
]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:23:39 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36378&title=school-replacement-levy#36378 School Replacement / Levy : "Centrally" located,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36375&title=school-replacement-levy#36375 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 4855
Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 4:24pm

"Centrally" located, or "balanced" locations and community would
be a big plus.

As Vet mentions, people play that area to however if serves their cause
best.]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:24:54 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36375&title=school-replacement-levy#36375 School Replacement / Levy : Chris Fiora wrote:LMAO,Year... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36371&title=school-replacement-levy#36371 Author: VietVet
Subject: 4855
Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 12:33pm

Originally posted by Chris Fiora Chris Fiora wrote:



LMAO,
Year round school doesn't address the issues facing Middletown City Schools.  Year round schools make sense when there are more students than there is class room space (for a 9 month school year).  By going to school year round school disticts are able to strech their limited class room space.  This is just like a company who's machine is full of business for day shift.  Rather than buy another machine, the company will add a second shift.
 
Middletown doesn't suffer a lack of class room space in the Middle School.  The issue with the Middle School is that it is old and antiquated and is not properly located.  It's fairly straight forward to fix the old and antiquated, but this will not change its location.  Middletown Schools lose a lot of students between elementary school and the middle school due to them not wanting their children to go to the current middle school.  You can agree or disagree about the Middle School but the choice is up to the parent's and they are voting with their feet.
 
If you agree with a new middle school, the high school work follows because the state will pay for it.  If Middletown passes on the state money, the money will not be returned to Ohio taxpayers but will simply go to a different school district.  I personnally don't agree with this system but it's the system that we have in Ohio and we might as well use it to our own advantage.


Mr. Fiora:

Actually, the "more students than classroom space" issue was addressed a long time ago in the Middletown school system. When I was a senior in 1966, there were too many students for the high school( old Vail-the middle school now) to handle. My graduating class alone had 567 kids that graduated that year, not counting the juniors and sophomores (9th grade was still considered junior high school back then and not involved). To accomodate the three grades, the schools decided to have the seniors and half the juniors attend from 7AM until 12 noon and the other half of the junior class and the sophomores attend from 1PM until 6PM. If you had a study hall at the end of the day, you were asked to leave and not attend as they wanted as many students out of the building as posible to relieve crowding in the hallways during class changes. Seemed to work back then. If this has proven, in the past, to be a workable solution to the overcrowding of the school, then year around school could be done. It is my understanding that the suggestion of year around school is to devote more time to academics to give this district a fighting chance to improve their performance with the idea of more time in school yields better results. To date,nothing else has worked in all the attempts made to improve. I see no reason not to give the year around/split shift for students program a try. What does this district have to lose? JMO

As to your comment about the middle school "not being properly located" Why not? For decades, it was properly located for the entire town. Students either drove to school, their parents drove them to school or the Ortman-Stewart city bus took you to school. (There were no yellow buses back then) That is another option toward getting to this "poorly located" school. It is in proximity to downtown, which is now deemed worthy of the town's interest. The city thinks this area is "properly located" don't they based on all the activity around that area and the money they have thrown into the area. The school is not that far from the city's favorite location nowadays. You wouldn't be deeming this school "not properly located" because you are trying to convince the public that a new school needs to be built that IS properly located, would you? By the way, who determines what "properly located" is when you are pulling kids in from all parts of the city? ]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:33:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36371&title=school-replacement-levy#36371 School Replacement / Levy : LMAO,Year round school doesn't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36370&title=school-replacement-levy#36370 Author: Chris Fiora
Subject: 4855
Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 12:02pm

LMAO,
Year round school doesn't address the issues facing Middletown City Schools.  Year round schools make sense when there are more students than there is class room space (for a 9 month school year).  By going to school year round school disticts are able to strech their limited class room space.  This is just like a company who's machine is full of business for day shift.  Rather than buy another machine, the company will add a second shift.
 
Middletown doesn't suffer a lack of class room space in the Middle School.  The issue with the Middle School is that it is old and antiquated and is not properly located.  It's fairly straight forward to fix the old and antiquated, but this will not change its location.  Middletown Schools lose a lot of students between elementary school and the middle school due to them not wanting their children to go to the current middle school.  You can agree or disagree about the Middle School but the choice is up to the parent's and they are voting with their feet.
 
If you agree with a new middle school, the high school work follows because the state will pay for it.  If Middletown passes on the state money, the money will not be returned to Ohio taxpayers but will simply go to a different school district.  I personnally don't agree with this system but it's the system that we have in Ohio and we might as well use it to our own advantage.
]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:02:13 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36370&title=school-replacement-levy#36370 School Replacement / Levy : Again I and others will be... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36369&title=school-replacement-levy#36369 Author: LMAO
Subject: 4855
Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 11:22am

Again I and others will be Voting "NO". I say it would be a safe bet that they didnt even look into year round school.
I dont care where they move to but I think its funny what the Super Duper said about movng downtown.LOL]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:22:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36369&title=school-replacement-levy#36369 School Replacement / Levy : Hey! It's almost time for... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36367&title=school-replacement-levy#36367 Author: VietVet
Subject: 4855
Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 6:29am

Hey! It's almost time for another school building levy!

Today's Journal...

School board OKs moving district offices
Board also considers placing bond issue on May ballot

The board also discussed Monday the possibility of placing a facilities bond issue before voters as soon as May 7. The district is considering building a middle school on the site of the Verity Middle School and renovating Middletown High School.

The approximately $55 million project would cost the owner of a $100,000 home about $10 per month, Long said. He said this would provide enough local funding to complete secondary projects without returning to voters when the state funds become available.

If the levy was passed in May it would take approximately three years to complete projects with a move-in date set for August 2016, according to Long. Once the projects are complete, Long said, the state would owe the district about $40 million in state funds.

No state funds would be distributed until the projects are complete, he said.

The board is set to vote on the levy at its Jan. 28 meeting. The last day to pass a resolution for May election is Feb. 5.

NOW WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THEY WILL RECONSIDER THIS LEVY PLACEMENT FOR MAY? LITTLE TO NONE RIGHT? LIKE MANY TIMES BEFORE, WHEN THEY START TALKING ABOUT A LEVY, IT'S ALWAYS APPROVED. SECURE YOUR WALLET AND HOLD ON TO IT. THEY'RE ABOUT TO TRY TO GET INTO IT AGAIN EVEN THOUGH MOST IN TOWN CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE ANYMORE. APPARENTLY, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SITUATION, MR. PROPERTY OWNER.

JUST REMEMBER IN MAY, WHEN YOU GO TO THE POLLS TO VOTE FOR THEIR SCHOOL UPGRADES, THAT THE 45 MIL BOND LEVY WE GAVE THEM A FEW YEARS AGO, PRODUCING THE FANCY NEW SCHOOLS, HAS PRODUCED LITTLE TO NO IMPROVEMENT, AND THE DISTRICT STILL HAS THE REPUTATION OF BEING A POOR PERFORMER. WHAT HAVE WE TAXPAYING VOTERS GOTTEN FOR OUR MONEY SO FAR? ASK YOURSELF, IS WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN SO FAR WORTH GIVING THEM MORE?

I LIKE THIS FROM RASMUSSEN......GREAT EXAMPLE OF EVADING THE QUESTION.

When questioned why the district would want to be located downtown, instead of the East End, where the city is growing, Superintendent Greg Rasmussen said the district has buildings throughout the city, and bringing the jobs to the City Building could make for a “stronger downtown.”

DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, DID HE? DIDN'T TELL US WHY THE EAST END WASN'T CONSIDERED....JUST THAT THE DOWNTOWN WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE MOVE. AND JUST WHY WOULD WE PREFER THE DOWNTOWN BEING "STRONGER" AND NOT CONCENTRATING ON THE EAST END? THE EAST END IS MORE MODERN, LOCATED IN A HIGHER VISIBILITY CONTEXT, IS THE ENTRYWAY TO THE CITY, HIGHER PRICED REAL ESTATE AND WOULD ATTRACT FAR MORE BUSINESS THAN THE DOWNTOWN. THE EAST END WAS THE FOCAL POINT FOR GROWTH FOR DECADES. NOW, BECAUSE OF SOME DREAMS, WISHES AND DESIRES FROM A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE TOWN'S POPULATION TO CONCENTRATE ON THE DOWNTOWN, IT IS NO LONGER PRIORITY ONE? AS OPPOSED TO THE ANTIQUATED DOWNTOWN AREA? SERIOUSLY? ]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:29:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36367&title=school-replacement-levy#36367 School Replacement / Levy : I'm guessing the school district... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=36053&title=school-replacement-levy#36053 Author: jsmith2011
Subject: 4855
Posted: Dec 16 2012 at 10:14pm

I'm guessing the school district wants to get that levy passed before the state starts with the new school district grading of A to F. That would make it pretty easy for the taxpayers to figure out exactly where Middletown Schools stood instead of the confusing information they send out now. Currently, the school district turns that information around and around to say what they want it to say. If the grade is an A or an F that will be pretty hard to do....

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Subject: 4855
Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 8:04am

Hmmm….Let me put on my thinking cap….

1. City Hall needs 150 to 200 million dollars for the combined sewer project
    within the next two years.
2. City Hall needs another 2 million dollar bond so they can tear down more
    buildings in “Their Downtown” in 2013 for more CS parking.
3. City Hall wants to increase taxes so we can afford more fire and police.
4. City Hall wants to put an extra charge on my water bill to pay for repairing the  

    streets and or street lighting.
….…..and now the School Board wants more money to build new schools.

All of this while investments are making no return and property in this town has lost half its value. Confused

   



Edited by Vivian Moon - Dec 07 2012 at 8:11am]]> Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:04:34 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=35951&title=school-replacement-levy#35951 School Replacement / Levy : Journal story....District begins... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=35947&title=school-replacement-levy#35947 Author: VietVet
Subject: 4855
Posted: Dec 07 2012 at 6:51am

Journal story....

District begins negotiations with building partners
Cost estimates established from negotiations will determine amount of bond levy on May ballot.

THIS IS A SURPRISE.

SO, BASED ON WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WANT AND BASED ON WHAT SOME HAND-PICKED COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS TAKING THE OPINIONS OF A SMALL MINORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND RUNNING WITH THEIR WANTS......NEVER MIND FINDING OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE WANTS OR CAN AFFORD.

MY HOPE IS THAT THE VOTERS, COME BOND APPROVAL TIME, WILL EVALUATE WHAT THEY RECEIVED IN APPROVING THE 45 MIL TO BUILD THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND VOTE THIS DOWN. JUST CAN'T KEEP GIVING THE SCHOOL PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT UNTIL THEY START IMPROVING PERFORMANCE AND JUSTIFYING THE ADDITIONAL OUTLAY OF MONEY FOR NEW SCHOOLS ALREADY BUILT. IF WE KEEP GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT, THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR THE SCHOOLS TO IMPROVE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. APPARENTLY, THE "DO A GOOD JOB, THEN REAP THE REWARDS" THEME HAS TURNED TO "GIVE US WHAT WE WANT AND WE'LL "TRY" TO DO BETTER" APPROACH. RIDICULOUS. JMO]]> Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:51:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=35947&title=school-replacement-levy#35947 School Replacement / Levy : Enrollment decline could cost... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4855&PID=35890&title=school-replacement-levy#35890 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 4855
Posted: Dec 03 2012 at 6:29am

Enrollment decline could cost district state dollars
http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/enrollment-decline-could-cost-district-state-dolla/nTLRD/

Courtesy: Ohio School Design Manual, Ohio Facilities Construction Commission
The Journal is committed to bringing its readers all the details regarding the Middletown City School District’s building plans. Reporter John Bombatch researched through the 40-page Draft Report which provided the DeJong Healy subcontractor’s enrollment projection data as of August, 2012. He learned that enrollment figures have dropped by 1,214 students over the past 10 years.
Sooo...even with the increase of Section 8 vouchers with an average of two children per household within this time period, we are still loosing population and students at our schools.
That drop in numbers, along with the enrollment reports’ forecast of a declining student population, could potentially cost the school district millions in state funding for its new schools.
If Mr. Adkins reduces 1,000 Section 8 voucher that will remove another 2,000 students from this projection....ooops
 

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