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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY : VietVetYou have heard correct...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1354">enough is enough</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2013 at 7:00pm<br /><br />VietVet<div><br></div><div>You have heard correct as to problem students being returned to the classroom almost immediately. Until the school board grows a pair and they hire administrators who have a pair you will never see test scores go up. The simple fact of the matter is the students run the school. They know that no matter what they do or how poorly they perform on tests they are going to be moved on to the next grade level. This explains why a student in 8th grade only reads on a 3rd grade level. No accountability from the students or the parents. These kids are learning how to live off the system. Free breakfast and now free lunch and no school fees. I'm just wondering if all the high school students will now be eligible to take college entrance exams for free? I know as a fact that there are students who get a voucher to take the test. With all the federal money the district is going to be collecting maybe they can do all the building they want to and not have to pass &nbsp;a levy. &nbsp;Seen this for years with my own two eyes.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY :   itsamee wrote:Vet,&#194;&#160;I can&#194;&#160;certainly&#194;&#160;agree...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2013 at 9:39am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by itsamee" alt="Originally posted by itsamee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>itsamee wrote:</strong><br /><br />Vet, <div>I can certainly agree on the lack of classroom policies. I often wonder why they tie teachers hands in the classroom. When I was in school, they gave us the boot.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div></td></tr></table> <br /><br />From what I have heard/read from the folks who have kids in school now is that when a teacher does call an admin. to the classroom to handle a student, who can't seem to obey the rules, they take the student down to the office and before the teacher can continue teaching, they return the student to the class. IF...IF this is correct info., what kind of example did that set for the problem kid and for the kids who witnessed the return to class? Kinda takes the intimidation out of any semblence of discipline program the schools would have, wouldn't it? No wonder the kids just laugh at any attempt to control the classrooms. <br /><br />Teachers should have support (don't care for their union). It would appear that the new method of classroom instruction is to place all the pressure on the teacher to not only teach but to force them to deal with a problem kid who has been returned to the classroom. Too much for one person to handle and still be effective. Admin. should offer the support needed to maintain a steady learning environment in the classroom by handling the disruptions. Removal and quick return does nothing to solve the issue IMO. Examples, sometimes harsh, need to be made for the system to gain respect.  ]]>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY : Vet,I cancertainlyagree on the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1405">itsamee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2013 at 8:00am<br /><br />Vet,&nbsp;<div>I can&nbsp;certainly&nbsp;agree on the lack of classroom policies. I often wonder why they tie teachers hands in the classroom. When I was in school, they gave us the boot.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY :  All I know having lived in Springboro...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1063">ktf1179</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2013 at 9:49am<br /><br />All I know having lived&nbsp; in Springboro is that some parents won't be happy until the classroom has a ratio of 1:1&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY :   itsamee wrote:Vet,&#194;&#160;I&amp;#039;m...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2013 at 9:36am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by itsamee" alt="Originally posted by itsamee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>itsamee wrote:</strong><br /><br />Vet, <div><br /></div><div>I'm shooting from the hip here. I have done work as a contractor at the schools (here and in other districts), so I have limited knowledge. I do know that ratios have changed and are on the verge of 30:1. That means there are 30 kids pre every teacher per classroom.  In the early 2000's when I started it was 24:1 in most districts.  Add a few more bodies (some of which sweat or provide a little more funk) and you raise the temps.  </div><div><br /></div><div>Other than that, yes, I went to school in the 90's in a building that had no AC, and I do remember how unpleasant it was at the time.  who knows, maybe I would have done better had I not had hot conditions... I dont know.  </div></td></tr></table> <br /><br />The ratio was 30:1 in the 60's in my classes. Effectiveness of learning was better back then due to rigid class rules, structure and the discipline factor missing in today's classrooms. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY :   itsamee wrote:Vet Again,&#194;&#160;I...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2013 at 9:32am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by itsamee" alt="Originally posted by itsamee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>itsamee wrote:</strong><br /><br />Vet Again, <div><br /></div><div>I am not a school apologist, I promise.  But, Improvement is hard to track when the state keeps changing the rules. What do you use as a benchmark?  Standardized test scores? If so, you are about to see a huge drop as the state recently changed the rules again.  </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Agree, the state keeps changing the rules. We also know that the state changes the rules for EVERY school district including the ones who are struggling like Middletown has been for years. Given the fact that the changes are the same for every district, how do we explain why some districts seem to do well with the constant adjustment to the changes and others seem to use the changes as a means to explain the inability to do well? The last article I saw mentioned that Hamilton is similar to Middletown in demograhics, yet Hamilton has made improvements that Middletown has yet to see. Look at the test scores....look at the indicator numbers. Wonder why? Can't use rich district/poor district- parents care/parents don't care arguments in this case. The only thing left is effective methods of instruction and effort, right? ]]>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY : Vet Again,I am not a school apologist,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1405">itsamee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2013 at 8:06am<br /><br />Vet Again,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I am not a school apologist, I promise. &nbsp;But,&nbsp;Improvement&nbsp;is hard to track when the state keeps changing the rules. What do you use as a benchmark? &nbsp;Standardized test scores? If so, you are about to see a huge drop as the state recently changed the rules again. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY : Vet,I&amp;#039;m shooting from the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1405">itsamee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2013 at 8:03am<br /><br />Vet,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I'm shooting from the hip here. I have done work as a contractor at the schools (here and in other districts), so I have limited knowledge. I do know that ratios have changed and are on the verge of 30:1. That means there are 30 kids pre every teacher per classroom. &nbsp;In the early 2000's when I started it was 24:1 in most districts. &nbsp;Add a few more bodies (some of which sweat or provide a little more funk) and you raise the temps. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Other than that, yes, I went to school in the 90's in a building that had no AC, and I do remember how&nbsp;unpleasant&nbsp;it was at the time. &nbsp;who knows, maybe I would have done better had I not had hot conditions... I dont know. &nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY : PAC:  &amp;#034;Your constant crabbing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2013 at 6:14am<br /><br />PAC:<br /><br />  "Your constant crabbing about the Elementary being built and the academic results not making the leaps and bounds as you wish is getting old."<br /><br />CHANGE THE RESULTS AND I'LL STOP THE CRABBING. HOW LONG WILL YOU GIVE THEM TO SHOW ANY REAL IMPROVEMENT PAC? .....YOUR CHOICE, JOIN THE REST OF THE SUPPORTERS OF THE SCHOOLS AND ACCEPT SLOW, ALMOST NON-EXISTENT PROGRESS OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES, OR CALL IT LIKE IT IS AND SEE THE NUMBERS EACH YEAR AFTER PROFICIENCY TESTING AND SEE THE PERCENTAGES EITHER STAY THE SAME OR IMPROVE BY A PERCENT OR TWO. IT IS WHAT IT IS PAC. NO DENYING THE NUMBERS. MY STATEMENTS MAY BE "GETTING OLD" PAC, BUT SO IS THE PERFORMANCE VERSUS EFFORT AND COST. WE KEEP PLOWING MONEY INTO A SYSTEM THAT IS NOT PRODUCING COMPARABLE RESULTS. ARE THE SCHOOLS A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN YOUR OPINION. I THINK NOT. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU HAVE NOW JOINED THE GROUP THAT IS IN DENIAL.  <br /><br />PAC:<br /><br />"Now can you move on to some productive issues, other than Movie theaters and Middle Schools and High Schools".<br /><br />THANK YOU FOR ALIGNING MY PRIORITIES HERE. I'LL TAKE YOUR SUGGESTION UNDER ADVISEMENT. (SEE THE DIE HARD MOVIE FOR REFERENCE)<br /><br />YOU SOUND A LITTLE BITTER BUD. GOT SOME NEWS FOR YOU. YOU ARE CONVERSING WITH A PERSON WHO IS JUST AS BITTER WITH LIFE RIGHT NOW AS YOU SEEM TO BE. JUST DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THE BITTERNESS. WE BOTH MOVE ON. <br /><br />]]>
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   <title>MAY BOND &amp; LEVY : Pac,need to ask more questions.There...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=469">LMAO</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5020<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2013 at 10:30pm<br /><br /><b>Pac,need to ask more questions.There is talk about building a New High School.</b>]]>
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