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   <title>2-19-2013 Council meeting :    Vivian Moon wrote:MikeYou...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5069<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 2:02pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Vivian Moon" alt="Originally posted by Vivian Moon" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Vivian Moon wrote:</strong><br /><br /><p style="margin: 0in 0.75pt 0pt 0in;"><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-: EN;" lang="EN">Mike<br>You forgot one other point.&nbsp;Ms Judy stated that the Highland Historic District will be applying for the same program so all the taxpayers will get to pay part of their electric bill also.</span>&nbsp;</p></td></tr></table><font size="2">Vivian,</font><div>&nbsp;</div><div><font size="2">I didn't forget it...I just couldn't believe it, since most of the houses in the Highlands&nbsp;neighborhood were built AFTER the era of gas street lamps (which were used in some towns but <strong><em>NOT</em></strong> Middletown) so there is no way that they could be considered "period lighting" for that "district".</font></div><div><font size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size="2">Regardless, considering how cavalier our city manager, Mama Bigbucks, is with our money, I'm sure that she will be all for it.&nbsp; After all, in her mind since we spend $700,000/year on street lighting what's another $5,000 or so per year every year here and there&nbsp;until the end of time to gussy up the private property of her friends???</font></div><div><font size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size="2">Where within the budget is Mama Bigbucks going to find this money???&nbsp; If we have this extra $5,000/year laying around, why didn't she spend it the last few years to SAVE THE VAULT at Pioneer Cemetery???</font></div><div><font size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size="2">It's the same old story!!!&nbsp; Our city is always broke...unless it is something that "friends of City Hall" want...then there is plenty of cash lying around!!!</font></div>]]>
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   <title>2-19-2013 Council meeting : MikeYou forgot one other point.Ms...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5069<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 8:02am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0.75pt 0pt 0in" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>Mike<BR>You forgot one other point.&nbsp;Ms Judy stated that the Highland Historic District will be applying for the same program so all the taxpayers will get to pay part of their electric bill also.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>2-19-2013 Council meeting :     I was very, very disappointed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5069<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;19&nbsp;2013 at 11:02pm<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>I was very, very disappointed (but not surprised) withthe denizens of City Hall during tonight’s discussion of the so-called “periodlighting” for South Main Street.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>First, they keep referring to these phony gas lamp postsas “period lighting” when research shows that there was no such street lightingduring any period in South Main Street’s history.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>If they want “period lighting” they musteither install the lights on their own property at their own expense (includingpaying for the maintenance and utilities themselves, as The Sorgs and someothers did in ye olde days) or they should have no lights at all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>That would be TRUE “period lighting” for thearea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Next, we were informed that they will now be keeping thecobra-head fixtures!!!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>This means thatthere will now be no “deduct” (or savings) for the utilities and maintenance ofthese fixtures, so ALL of the ongoing costs for the phony decorative lamps willbe and ADDED cost to the taxpayers!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Gilleland tried to downplay the ongoing costs by statingthat “the City” annually pays for “thousands of street lights” to the tune of$700,000 (plus) per year, implying “what’s a few thousand more every year?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Well, if four or five thousand dollars a yearout of our shrinking reserve fund means nothing to her, it is time to look fora new city manager.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>There is still nojustification for the citizens of Middletown to spend thousands of dollars everyyear just to satisfy the “dream” of a few connected residents, including aDirector at City Hall, the Mayor, and the Mayor’s parents.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>(Pssst: Here’s a clue, Judy:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>As much as you might want to think otherwise,the “city”<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"> IS</i></b> we taxpayers!!!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Youdon’t have <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ANY</i></b> money unless you first take it from <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">US!</i></b>!!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Also, If the City Manager would be more careful about <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">EVERY</i></b>$5,000 of our money she spends, perhaps she wouldn’t be proposing tax increasesand fee hikes every time she turns around.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Ms. Mort needs to do a bit more deep thinking aswell.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>She stated that this was “similarto a tax levy for the schools”.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Sorry,Ms. Mort, but this is <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">NOT </i></b>similar to a tax levy for theschools!!!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">EVERYONE</i></b> gets to vote ona tax levy for the schools, <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">including the people who will have to paythat levy.</i></b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>In this case everyonedid <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">NOT</i></b>get to vote—just those who will get the benefit got to vote, <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">NOT</i></b>those who will pay the ongoing utilities and maintenance.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Also, the schools benefit the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ENTIRECOMMUNITY</i></b>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>The phony decorativelights benefit only a select few property owners on a short stretch of a singlestreet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Landen was flat-out wrong when he said that there couldbe no “extras” during the construction for these lights, only for the concretework for the curbs, gutters and sidewalks.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>There is very likely to be construction, extras due to the installationof the underground conduit for these lights, separate and apart from theconcrete work on the curbs, gutters and sidewalks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Then Ms. Mort declared:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>“The American way is the majority rules!”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>I can live with that!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>So let’s let the entire city vote on whetheror not to have all of the taxpayers of the city pick up the bill for theelectrical and maintenance costs for these decorative lights.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Then let the “majority rule”!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>As it stands now, only those who have achance to benefit got a chance to “vote”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>Finally,no one bothered to mention that the very same result could be obtained if everyproperty owner who so-desired had the lamp posts installed on his/her ownproperty outside the public right-of-way (just a few feet from where they arenow proposed, on the other side of the sidewalk).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>They could each be responsible for their owninstallation costs for as many, or as few lights as they desire (i<font color="#ff0000">ncluding NONEfor those property owners who wish to keep their property historicallyaccurate</font>), and they would then each be responsible for their own utilities andmaintenance.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>The street view and curbappeal would be identical, and the rest of us taxpayers would be left out ofit!!!<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>What could be more fair and just than that???<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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