Middletown Forum : AGENDA 4-02-2013

Middletown Forum : AGENDA 4-02-2013 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : AGENDA 4-02-2013 Tue, 06 Oct 2026 19:06:09 +0000 Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:38:11 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5153 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ AGENDA 4-02-2013 : http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37482&title=agenda-4022013#37482 Author: chrie
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 07 2013 at 5:38am

]]> Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:38:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37482&title=agenda-4022013#37482 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : and now for the rest of the story....The... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37475&title=agenda-4022013#37475 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 05 2013 at 5:32pm

and now for the rest of the story....The pumper was paid for from HUD CDBG FUNDS.

]]> Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:32:31 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37475&title=agenda-4022013#37475 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : On April 2, 2013 Middletown City... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37474&title=agenda-4022013#37474 Author: Middletown News
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 05 2013 at 2:36pm

On April 2, 2013 Middletown City Council held a meeting at the Middletown City Building. The meeting Included the moment of meditation/Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, roll call, citizen comments, City Manager reports, consent agenda, motion agenda (to request authorization to purchase a Sutphen S1 Shield Pumper Vehicle per the State of Ohio STS Contract in the amount of $387,627.08), Council comments, legislation, and adjournment.
Follow the link to watch the Middletown City Council Meeting April 2, 2013.
]]> Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:36:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37474&title=agenda-4022013#37474 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : L. Mulligan can't venture... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37472&title=agenda-4022013#37472 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 05 2013 at 2:26pm

L. Mulligan can't venture an opinion unless Judy feeds it to him same with Mort she has to stay on the fence so she doesn't upset her best friend.

]]> Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:26:10 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37472&title=agenda-4022013#37472 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : COUNCIL IS RIGHT ON TOP THINGS... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37470&title=agenda-4022013#37470 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 05 2013 at 12:03pm

COUNCIL IS RIGHT ON TOP THINGS CONCERNING THE GOLF COURSE...

MIDDLETOWN

City Council considers sale of Weatherwax under certain conditions

Councilman A.J. Smith says to sell it now. Vice Mayor Dan Picard acknowledged he would listen if a buyer came along with the right offer, but is willing to give the golf course another year to increase revenues. Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones said the city should pay off the $1 million debt owed from improvements to the golf course before unloading it. And Councilwoman Ann Mort said she would “love” for the city to “hang onto” Weatherwax for a couple more years, but she would also “love” to find a new owner.

FOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE ASKED.....FOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS. NO ONE ON THE SAME PAGE. NO WONDER WE CAN'T GET THIS GROUP TO WORK TOGETHER, IT'S NOT A TEAM APPROACH WHICH CALLS FOR COMING TO A CONCLUSION BASED ON THE MAJORITY CONCENSUS THROUGH GROUP DISCUSSION. THEY DON'T DISCUSS ANYTHING. THEY JUST OFFER OPINIONS AND DROP THE SUBJECT.

YA JUST GOTTA LOVE MORT'S CONSTANT NON-COMMITTAL ATTITUDE ABOUT EVERYTHING. DOES THE WOMAN CONSTANTLY LIVE ON TOP OF THE FENCE RATHER THAN ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER?

Councilman Joe Mulligan said with the rental agreement, investment of new golf carts, and other upgrades at the course, the city should keep operating it for the time being.

“I would like to see how the course performs this year under normal conditions without the weather extremes,” he said. “I would like to see the course be profitable, to give the course some opportunity to succeed in 2013.”

SO BASICALLY, J. MULLIGAN WANTS TO WASTE ANOTHER $403,000 THIS YEAR AND GIVE THE COURSE ANOTHER CHANGE WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE YEARS OF HISTORICAL DATA THAT SHOWS A DEFINITE TREND THAT IT IS A MONEY DRAIN FOR THE CITY. HOW MUCH DATA DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE MULLIGAN FOR YOU TO BE CONVINCED THIS IS AN ALBATROSS AS TO CITY FINANCES?

“It doesn’t really matter who owns it,” Mort said. “I don’t expect to make money on it, but I don’t want it to go to pot

THAT'S GREAT! "I DON'T EXPECT TO MAKE MONEY ON IT" KNOWING THIS CITY IS SUPPOSE TO BE CASH-STRAPPED AND CUTTING THE BUDGET TO MAKE ENDS MEET? APPARENTLY NOT. APPARENTLY WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO WASTE ON A CONSTANT MONEY-LOSING VENTURE?

Scott Jones said she’d like to pay off the debt early since there’s no pre-payment penalty “and give them a couple of years to see if they’re self-sufficient.”

While selling it is an option, she’d like to see if the city asset can be self-sustaining without the debt.

“I would love it to stay a golf course, and I would love to see more young people get involved,” Scott Jones said. “I see a lot of pluses with it, but we should only keep it as long as it’s self-sufficient.”

In a few years, if the debt is paid and it’s not breaking even, then the city should look to selling it, she said.

WRONG MS. SCOTT-JONES, WRONG. YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE. PULL THE PLUG.

Smith doesn’t want to see the city spend any more on the course.

“I’m only interested in stopping the bleeding, and we can’t afford to keep funding it at the rate we’ve been funding it,” he said. “I’d like them to stay open and make a profit, but I don’t think the city should be in the golf business.”

He said there are too many “what ifs” in a weather-dependent business.

“It’s very subjective,” Smith said. “What if the weather is great? What if the weather is mediocre? I think it’s too risky of a business for the city to be in.”

FINALLY, A VOICE OF LOGICAL REASON AND AN ACTUAL FIRM COMMITMENT FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER. NICE TO SEE FROM A PERSON WITH ALOT OF BAGGAGE.

WHERE ARE YOU MAYOR LAWRENCE MULLIGAN THE THIRD? WHAT IS YOUR VALUED OPINION ON THIS?

]]> Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:03:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37470&title=agenda-4022013#37470 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : Vet -- as hard as I have been... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37466&title=agenda-4022013#37466 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 04 2013 at 12:19pm

Vet -- as hard as I have been on the area and it's "special favors",
Beau Verre owners have probably done more to help the area than the
city or any other entity. Most know that govt. seldom creates businesses or
make them successful. Sooner(hopefully) rather than later our local govt. might
figure that out.]]> Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:19:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37466&title=agenda-4022013#37466 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : Spider:"would you rather... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37456&title=agenda-4022013#37456 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 04 2013 at 6:08am

Spider:

"would you rather see another low-end housing subdivision there?"

NAW, I'D RATHER SEE ANOTHER LOW END HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SPRING UP ON S. MAIN ST. RIGHT NEXT TO THE MULLIGANS AND KOHLERS, ANOTHER IN MORT, PICARD AND ALL THE OTHERS NEIGHBORHOODS, WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING IN ALL THE POVERTY. ALSO LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER UDF SPRING UP DOWN ON S. MAIN. WOULD ATTRACT AN ABUNDANCE OF CRIME LIKE THE CURRENT ONE DOES DOWNTOWN. THE POLICE BRIEFS EACH DAY SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THE UDF ATTRACTS A LOW END CROWD DOWNTOWN.

Spider:

"I appreciate the course---and would play it regardless of who owns it if it is maintained"

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HAVING OUR DIFFERENCES. YOU PLAY THE COURSE. I DON'T. SAME WITH THE SENIORS LEVY A WHILE BACK. I HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN SEEING THAT THE SENIOR CENTER SERVICES DON'T GO AWAY AS WE USE THOSE SERVICES. YOU PLAY THE COURSE AND BENEFIT GIVING YOU THE VESTED INTEREST.

Spider:

"how much are we currently spending to mainrtain the manchester--bank buildings--sonshione-studio/strand--hobby house--monty wards?"

AN ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY THAT THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS AND EITHER SPENDING OUR MONEY TO MAINTAIN WHAT THEY OWN OR GIVING AWAY WHITE ELEPHANTS TO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS FREE OF CHARGE AFTER OUR MONEY PURCHASED THE BUILDINGS. INSANE.

Spider:

"quit forgiving loans to private entities like we are flush with cash--demand payment or torment those delinquents like they do private low-income home owners"

ARE YOU READING THIS MOORMANS? HAVE YOU PAID BACK THE LOAN FROM YEARS AGO THAT BELONG TO THE PEOPLE? AND HOW ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS FORGIVEN ON THE MANCHESTER FROM THE THATCHER ESTATE? KINDA FREE AND EASY WITH OUR MONEY CITY LEADERS.

Spider:

"--spend available funds to fix streets--maintasin public safety
no new levys!"

YEP, BUT THE INEPT ONES RUNNING THIS CITY ARE INCAPABLE OF USING LOGIC, PRIORITIZING NEEDS NOR MAKING COMPETENT DECISIONS. WE ARE LED BY VERY STUBBORN, INCOMPETENT PEOPLE (PUPPETS) BEHIND THAT COUNCIL DESK AND IN THE CITY BUILDING. HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES.
]]> Thu, 04 Apr 2013 06:08:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37456&title=agenda-4022013#37456 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : lol no vet--my suggestions wouldn't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37454&title=agenda-4022013#37454 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 8:02pm

lol no vet--my suggestions wouldn't be enough

people who go to weatherwax spend money everytime they visit--$25-$50 average

plus golf courses aren't that marketable at this time

would you rather see another low-end housing subdivision there?

this city has wasted so much $$ over the last 20 years--why scapegoat this place?

I appreciate the course---and would play it regardless of who owns it if it is maintained.

how much are we currently spending to mainrtain the manchester--bank buildings--sonshione-studio/strand--hobby house--monty wards?

quit forgiving loans to private entities like we are flush with cash--demand payment or torment those delinquents like they do private low-income home owners--spend available funds to fix streets--maintasin public safety

no new levys!

]]> Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:02:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37454&title=agenda-4022013#37454 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : Spider...."slightly raise... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37452&title=agenda-4022013#37452 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 12:01pm

Spider...."slightly raise the fees--cart fees--market the place better including meetings/weddings/parties
maintain the wonderful standards--take the city out of management with their dslary/bennie packages
lease it to a management group--DON'T SELL IT!"

Will your suggestions wipe out the $403,000 deficit the city paid out in 2012? If so, keep it open as you suggest. If not, it remains a money losing investment for the city that benefits only a small % of the population. Agree with the pathetic city theme of buying buildings with money they don't have and giving them away for private ventures. Ridiculous waste of money.

Spider....

"Take the school admin building as payment for improvements toward their new 4th floor Donham space".

Good idea although I question the value of the old school admin building on Girard. Can't be worth much. Another building to be demolished along with the old high school and gym?

The Spider....

"Do you really trust our city govt. to properly manage(spend) the small amount that would be generated by fire-saleing this great facility"

YES

"Joe Mulligan is the only Council member who understands. The rest are clueless, especially AJ(and I like AJ)"

ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY ARE ALL CLUELESS AT THIS POINT, BASED ON OUR DAILY DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING THEIR COLLECTIVE TALENT LEVEL AND DECISION-MAKING CAPABILITIES.

"I compare it to doing away with the dedicated road improvement fund to solve the budget crisis du jour
The money has gone elsewhere, the roads are a disaster, and we can't get them fixed or maintained now."

YEP. THAT IS, UNLESS WE GIVE THEM MORE MONEY, LIKE PRESTON COMBS IS SUGGESTING, TO MEET THE CITY'S RAMPANT SPENDING HABITS. BUT, THEY WILL HIDE/LOSE/ILLEGALLY MOVE/MISAPPROPRIATE/"MAGICAL VOODOO" THAT MONEY INTO EXTINCTION ALSO......JUST TO END UP IN ONE OF THEIR LITTLE HIDDEN AGENDA PROJECTS MONTHS OR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

]]> Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:01:21 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37452&title=agenda-4022013#37452 AGENDA 4-02-2013 : slightly raise the fees--cart... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5153&PID=37450&title=agenda-4022013#37450 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5153
Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 11:07am

slightly raise the fees--cart fees--market the place better including meetings/weddings/parties

maintain the wonderful standards--take the city out of management with their dslary/bennie packages

lease it to a management group--DON'T SELL IT!

SELL THE CRAP BUILDINGS THAT GENERATE NOTHING BUT EXPENSE AND QUIT BUYING BUILDINGS TO GIVE AWAY TO PRIVATE ENTITIES OR TO TEAR DOWN(except that they never get torn down)

Take the school admin building as payment for improvements toward their new 4th floor Donham space.

Do you really trust our city govt. to properly manage(spend) the small amount that would be generated by fire-saleing this great facility. Joe Mulligan is the only Council member who understands. The rest are clueless, especially AJ(and I like AJ)

I compare it to doing away with the dedicated road improvement fund to solve the budget crisis du jour

The money has gone elsewhere, the roads are a disaster, and we can't get them fixed or maintained now.

jmo

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