Middletown Forum : Weatherwax-Revisited http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Weatherwax-Revisited Tue, 06 Oct 2026 14:36:25 +0000 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:34:17 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5197 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Weatherwax-Revisited : Spider:"Plus-- my time here... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37750&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37750 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 6:34pm

Spider:

"Plus-- my time here may be short"

NO! SAY IT AIN'T SO SPIDER!!!! WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO HELP US POLICE THE POOR CITY LEADERSHIP. HOPEFULLY, SOMEDAY, WE WILL ALL GET ENOUGH OF THE NONSENSE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BESIDE TALK ON A BLOG. WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE RESIDENTS TO WAKE UP, PERHAPS IN A FUTILE MODE, WE WILL DISCUSS ON THIS SITE, THE DAY TO DAY CRAP THAT THE PEOPLE ENDURE FROM INEPT THINKING DEALT OUT BY CITY OFFICIALS. FOR THE SAKE OF THE CITY, THESE PEOPLE CANNOT WIN THE FIGHT. THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE TOO MUCH DAMAGE. ]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:34:17 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37750&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37750 Weatherwax-Revisited : completely agree!! http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37747&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37747 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 4:23pm

completely agree!!]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:23:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37747&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37747 Weatherwax-Revisited : over the hill wrote:everyone... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37742&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37742 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 3:17pm

Originally posted by over the hill over the hill wrote:

everyone keeps talking about the golf course as if it was sold it will disappear off the face of the earth. It will still be located in the same spot. Would'nt it still be operated as a golf course? would'nt we still have people playing the course?


Sure. I was just trying to suggest that the city unload it to free up some money to add to the streets, which. IMO, are a higher priority than a recreational budget drain. No guarantee that the money saved would be put toward the streets even if they unloaded the course. We all know how they run this city......if it's logical, forget about it. They will make the most assinine decisions one could imagine. Have in the past and will continue to do so until they are removed from their positions.   ]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:17:22 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37742&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37742 Weatherwax-Revisited : everyone keeps talking about the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37740&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37740 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 2:13pm

everyone keeps talking about the golf course as if it was sold it will disappear off the face of the earth. It will still be located in the same spot. Would'nt it still be operated as a golf course? would'nt we still have people playing the course? ]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:13:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37740&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37740 Weatherwax-Revisited : Thanx vetI had hoped to make a... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37738&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37738 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 11:53am

Thanx vet
I had hoped to make a run this year, I am not able because of business/family issues.
Also my family does not want me to run .
Plus-- my time here may be short

Actually, I don't really care who owns the golf course
It may well be better maintained and operated by a private firm.
Just hate to see the city paid a pittance probably to be spent on wages/bennies and/or more property purchases followed by giveaways, especially in the former downtown area. Funny how these properties become worthless after we pay good money for them.
Plus--they always seem to go to a small group of investors who could afford to pay but won't(because they know that they will get them for free).
jmo]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:53:07 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37738&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37738 Weatherwax-Revisited : Agree with all that you have said... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37736&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37736 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 11:17am

Agree with all that you have said here.

Spider:

"sigh--if only i was in charge--lol"

You make light of this comment but there are people in town (usually longtimers) that would like to see that happen with you joined by 5 or 6 others from the same mold. You have demonstrated common sense and good sound ideas over the years and council and the other fools, both past and present, could learn from your suggestions.    

I still don't know who M29 is but suspect he/she is from the 8o's era on council with the comment concerning eliminating infrastructure funding (street fund) and placing that money in the general fund....for decades and to this date. Gotta be Becker or someone who served with him.

]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:17:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37736&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37736 Weatherwax-Revisited : If private investment will take... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37735&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37735 Author: ktf1179
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 10:11am

If private investment will take better care of Weatherwax and increase the use of the golf course, I say sell it. Or figure out a way to do a public/private partnership to help share the cost and up keep of the golf course. 

Personally it doesn't make any sense to operate a golf course as far as I know is not even within Middletown city limits. That should be left to the township or even Trenton to operate.

Unless Middletown could annex the land around Weatherwax. Then they could attract upscale housing development around it. Very similar to Heatherwood in Springboro, and Yankee Trace in Centerville. Not only would they get more use out of the golf course by the local residents, but also a increased income by attracting upper income families to the area.

Otherwise let a private company operate it.


]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:11:27 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37735&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37735 Weatherwax-Revisited : correction my way vetu did not... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37732&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37732 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 8:39am

correction my way vet
u did not shill for the levy--simply supported it

our city is approaching cash-poor because of ridiculous over-spending on useless properties(which have to be given away or torn down-yet few ever get demo'ed) and incentives to poorly located businesses that have no chance otherwise.

short-term thinking is usually bad thinking
just look at m29's move to eliminate dedicated infrastructure funding to pump the general fund piggy bank.
and a majority voted for this--i did not
typiucal RINO thinking---and this town is full of RINOs

this town is beginning to come back because of private businesss funding/efforts and broad personal community involvement/willpower despite the backwards meddling from Council, admin and DMI/MMF
even our Chamber doesn't get it

sigh--if only i was in charge--lol]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:39:01 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37732&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37732 Weatherwax-Revisited : Spider....I can understand why... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37730&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37730 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 6:14am

Spider....

I can understand why you and perhaps the others who like to golf want this to remain in city hands.

Spider: "vet---you don't get it because you don't want to get it imo"

No, It's not a matter of me "getting it". I am just coming from a different direction than you on the courses importance to the community. I see selling the course to the private sector and placing the money that would have been spent on the course, on the streets. You will agree the streets are one of the top priorities won't you? Higher than the golf course?

Spider: "weatherwax has done well over the long run"

Then why have we heard stories in the Journal that the city is subsidizing it each year for hundreds of thousands of dollars? It is not a stand alone entity. It is not self-sufficient. Hasn't been for years.

Spider: "you have no problem shilling for the Senior Center levy because you benefit from it"

This is true. Our family does benefit through Meals On Wheels and the transport services. So do many people. The population of this town......this state....this country is getting older. I would imagine more seniors facilities will be needed and used as we, the Baby Boomers get a little older. You may start using the center and their services at some point, you never know Spider. There are no guarantees in life that your/your family's health will hold out. I hope it does but sh-- happens in life that is unexpected and tragic. One big difference....the people of this town had an opportunity to vote to keep the seniors center afloat and where to direct our money. Right outcome or wrong, the people had a say. The people have never had a vote on whether to keep the golf course. The cost to maintain the course is forced on the taxpayer by the city.

Spider: "Should we fire sale a beautiful asset--no f'n way!
if it is sold, it should be sold for top $$ instead of enough to pay the debt or fund more giveaway follies in the former downtown area.
Weatherwax is one of our best amenities and attractions imo"

Likewise, should we use the money from a cash-starved budget to subsidize a golf course, used by a small percentage of Middletown area people, for years on end? Couldn't this money be used for a higher priority than golf? You tell me when you think the course will break even, so as not to be a burden on the budget. You play, most don't. Just askin'. ]]> Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:14:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37730&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37730 Weatherwax-Revisited : vet---you don't get it because... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37727&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37727 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5197
Posted: Apr 28 2013 at 9:08pm

vet---you don't get it because you don't want to get it imo.
weatherwax has done well over the long run.
every golf club around is struggling.
i just finished playing a beautiful course in Fla. @ $15 per player--Sunday evening rate.
you have no problem shilling for the Senior Center levy because you benefit from it.
So quit being hypocritical.
Not everyone belongs to Wildwood or BRCC
Golf is cheap everywhere these days.
Should we fire sale a beautiful asset--no f'n way!
if it is sold, it should be sold for top $$ instead of enough to pay the debt or fund more giveaway follies in the former downtown area.
Weatherwax is one of our best amenities and attractions imo.
Can't wait to get out there!]]> Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:08:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5197&PID=37727&title=weatherwaxrevisited#37727