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   <title>Rose Furniture :    VietVet wrote:IMO, public...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">John Beagle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 3:44pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><br>IMO, public taxpayer money should NEVER be used to stimulate development, especially in the downtown area. It should have been private money from day one down there. Let the investor take the hit if a failure, not the taxpayer who has no sayso as to how their money is being used. If the downtown can't be developed using private money, then let it die on the vine. They have spent millions for over a decade down there and look at the pathetic results we see to date. Ridiculous waste of time and money IMO. Downtown speculation building purchases, using taxpayer money, is as wrong as it gets. Let these business people who believe in their downtown take the risk. I hope they are all successful but don't help them out using other people's money. Just flat out wrong. <br>&nbsp;</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Well said,&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" />&nbsp;I also have the same opinion.<br></div>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture : Viet,You answered the question...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1732">buddhalite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 2:55pm<br /><br />Viet,<div><br></div><div>You answered the question I was eventually getting to and that is - there's not but a couple of folks willing to put money in downtown - and it should just be left to implode.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not in favor of monies going downtown (and I'm on record for that) unless it is private money.</div><div><br></div><div>The real money is going elsewhere. &nbsp;There's a reason. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture : But Bob, Robinette isn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 1:38pm<br /><br />But Bob, Robinette isn't a typical investor. A typical investor sees and opportunity and uses/risks THEIR OWN MONEY to finance the endeavor. Robinette, a former city employee I believe, takes the CITY TAXPAYER'S MONEY GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS CITY PALS, and uses other people's money to do business. Vast difference in investment techniques. <br /><br />It does not take guts to risk other people's money with no consequences if the transaction fails. Anyone can do that. <br /><br />It does take guts to invest your own money though. <br /><br />Robinette, as I have heard in the past, has no money of his own to risk so he gets it from his buddies in the city building.......on multiple occasions I believe. <br /><br />And what is the history of the Robinette city money give-away to date?<br /><br />We have the Rose Building----a bust so far<br /><br />We have the Goetz Tower incident----has this produced anything worth noting so far? Anyone?<br /><br />And, we have the brewery place where the last I heard some brewery tanks were installed but is it functional as yet? Haven't heard. Anyone?<br /><br />Do these examples of dealing with Robinette seem like a worthy endeavor to you Bob? If the answer is no, then why does the city keep giving him money if he doesn't produce viable results? The guy is a snake oil salesman and the city leaders are actually buying into his bs.<br /><br />IMO, public taxpayer money should NEVER be used to stimulate development, especially in the downtown area. It should have been private money from day one down there. Let the investor take the hit if a failure, not the taxpayer who has no sayso as to how their money is being used. If the downtown can't be developed using private money, then let it die on the vine. They have spent millions for over a decade down there and look at the pathetic results we see to date. Ridiculous waste of time and money IMO. Downtown speculation building purchases, using taxpayer money, is as wrong as it gets. Let these business people who believe in their downtown take the risk. I hope they are all successful but don't help them out using other people's money. Just flat out wrong. <br /><br />Hell, the east end is more active with more viable shopping than the dam downtown ever was and it was all done with private monies. <br /><br />The downtown died in 1958 when the Middletown Shopping Center and I-75 were built. The downtown migration to the east side of town started then. We older residents remember the location transition well. ]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture : Okay - all digs aside - I have...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1732">buddhalite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 11:48am<br /><br />Okay - all digs aside - I have a serious question.<div><br></div><div>Who else beside the 3-4 names that have been mentioned here on the forum are interested in revitalizing downtown and have cash to pay to rebuild/repair these buildings and put them back in use?</div><div><br></div><div>Are we talking another 3-4 people, 25-50 people or more?&nbsp; I am curious as to how many contractors/investors out there are interested.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture :    whistlersmom wrote:Douglas...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 7:47am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by whistlersmom" alt="Originally posted by whistlersmom" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>whistlersmom wrote:</strong><br /><br />Douglas Adkins posted this on Jan. 20, 2017 at 8:56 am under “Manchester Inn sold”<br><br>“Rose Furniture will be rebuilt as part of the Goetz Tower project with retail first floor and upper level apartments. Took a long time but it will get done.”<br><br>John, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Rose Furniture to be completed.  The now deteriorated condition of the structure is obvious.  Just stand by a window on the sidewalk and look up inside – you will see the sky due to the roof having fallen to street level.  In 2013, Robinette was given (free and clear) Rose Furniture plus $300,000 to fix the roof.  Nothing has been done.  How much has the delay added to the cost of rebuilding?  Why didn’t (shouldn’t) the city have a contract requiring start and completion dates?  No urgency here!  Wonder what Robinette did with the $300k for the roof!!? Has Robinette run out of money?  Is that the reason the city had to lease the first floor of the Goetz Tower?  What else can we give him to support his lifestyle?  Oh yeah, Liberty Spirits.<br><br>After the Rose Furniture debacle, why does the city continue to favor Robinette over any others who might want to make a real contribution to their revitalization plans?</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Over six months later, are there any new developments to report on the vacant, blighted and decaying Rose Furniture property?</div>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture : Douglas Adkins posted this on...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1685">whistlersmom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 12:12am<br /><br />Douglas Adkins posted this on Jan. 20, 2017 at 8:56 am under “Manchester Inn sold”<br /><br />“Rose Furniture will be rebuilt as part of the Goetz Tower project with retail first floor and upper level apartments. Took a long time but it will get done.”<br /><br />John, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Rose Furniture to be completed.  The now deteriorated condition of the structure is obvious.  Just stand by a window on the sidewalk and look up inside – you will see the sky due to the roof having fallen to street level.  In 2013, Robinette was given (free and clear) Rose Furniture plus $300,000 to fix the roof.  Nothing has been done.  How much has the delay added to the cost of rebuilding?  Why didn’t (shouldn’t) the city have a contract requiring start and completion dates?  No urgency here!  Wonder what Robinette did with the $300k for the roof!!? Has Robinette run out of money?  Is that the reason the city had to lease the first floor of the Goetz Tower?  What else can we give him to support his lifestyle?  Oh yeah, Liberty Spirits.<br /><br />After the Rose Furniture debacle, why does the city continue to favor Robinette over any others who might want to make a real contribution to their revitalization plans?]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture : No update since 2013 http://w...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">John Beagle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;05&nbsp;2017 at 1:09pm<br /><br /><div>No update since 2013</div><div><br></div><a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6417&amp;PID=47768" rel="nofollow">http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6417&amp;PID=47768</a>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture :    spiderjohn wrote:The guy...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;09&nbsp;2013 at 7:00pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by spiderjohn" alt="Originally posted by spiderjohn" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>spiderjohn wrote:</strong><br /><br />The guy is out to cut the program, therefore breaking the addiction to federal money that has been spent dis-proportionally on cronyism and special interests instead of improving the entire city as made possible<br><br>The guy is willing to take down blight, including facing off with the downtown money-grabbers and the hysterical society.<br><br>He was in no way involved in ?able spending or buying useless buildings.<br><br>Do I like everything ?<br>Absolutely not<br>Do not like losing big money on rebuilds--- which seems to have been abandoned for demo policy<br>A good move IMO<br><br>Too hard on poor people trying to maintain a home. With picky preferential code violations also<br><br>We need tough but fair right now<br>Seems like a guy to start just that unless the power people lay on him<br><br>Still-not time to turn back now<br><br>Jmo</td></tr></table><div><br><font color="#000099"><strong>Spider,<br><br>I agree with you 100%.&nbsp; Personally I believe the city needs a "kick ass and take names later" personality to straighten things out. <br><br>Pacman<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /></strong></font></div>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture :     Libertarian wrote:  Vivian,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;09&nbsp;2013 at 6:58pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Libertarian" alt="Originally posted by Libertarian" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Libertarian wrote:</strong><br /><br />Vivian, Steve, Terry, Mike and Pacman -<div>&nbsp;</div><div>As you know, Mr. Akins had over $3 Million in two separate NSP allocations at his disposal.&nbsp; Despite the fact that he wasted up to $75,000 per individual housing acquisition/rehabilitation project, whatever happened to the funds that were netted from eventual sale of these frivolous undertakings?&nbsp; How much funding is involved?&nbsp; Were these funds diverted to "downtown" projects like the acquisition of the asbestos-laden movie theater on Central Avenue?&nbsp; Or, is he using these taxpayers dollars on more property demolition?&nbsp; What is going on?</div></td></tr></table><div><br><font color="#000099"><strong>Libertarian,<br><br>these are questions that should be taken up with the City.&nbsp; I believe one of the reason the Middletown was declared over 50% below poverty level was so that these funds could be used anywhere in the city.&nbsp; You could find the answer to most of these questions on the City's website.&nbsp; <br><br>Pacman<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /></strong></font></div>]]>
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   <title>Rose Furniture :    Libertarian wrote:  Steve...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5280<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;09&nbsp;2013 at 6:55pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Libertarian" alt="Originally posted by Libertarian" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Libertarian wrote:</strong><br /><br />Steve -<div>&nbsp;</div><div>If HUD were to allow a reduction of 1,000+ S8 vouchers, what would be the impact on the housing market in Ward 2 and parts of Ward 1.<font color="#000066"><strong>&nbsp;The Reduction of S8 Vouchers in Middletown, if I am current, will have no impact on Ward 1 and Ward 2 as the vouchers will remain in&nbsp;affect until such time as the voucher holder exits the programs or moves to another housing authority. If you are talking Rental fees/amount, there will be no impact as HUD&nbsp;determines the rental amount by the number of bedrooms in each property.</strong></font>&nbsp;With the reduction of vouchers, is it true that current montly market rents for non-subsidized properties are significantly less?&nbsp;<font color="#000066"><strong> Most Likely they would be less for non-subsidized renters. That's the way the cookie crumbles in the s8 rental business.&nbsp; It is not up to the city to support the rental business in Middletown.&nbsp; The fact that you believe there may be a reduction in rental fees in Wards 1 &amp; 2 leads me to believe you know what will happen over time with these properties. </strong></font>Where will the up to 1,000 new renter households come from?&nbsp; <strong><font color="#000066">That is not a problem of the city or the residents of Middletown.&nbsp; The residents of Middletown should not bare the&nbsp;cost or any other fee for private businesses.&nbsp;</font> </strong>How will the reduction of S8 units adversely impact residential property owners? <font color="#000066"><strong>Personally I think it will have little to no impact on my family.</strong></font>&nbsp; </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The majority of S8 vouchers added took place (for the most part) prior to the hiring of Marty Kohler.&nbsp; <font color="#000099"><strong>Marty Kohler had his fingers in this pie enough to leave his prints behinds.&nbsp;</strong></font> You should speak with Neal Barille and Angela Tucker about that.&nbsp; However, as recently as 2006, Mr. Kohler bragged about the benefits of S8 insofar as rental property reinvestment was concerned.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The damage is now done and I have no issue with reducing some of the vouchers.&nbsp; What I do not agree with is the lack of a cost-effective strategy to reclaim our declining neighborhoods.&nbsp; The wrecking ball alone is hardly a comprehensive plan of attack.&nbsp; It is true that quite a few structures warrant demolition.&nbsp; However, surely there must be a more logical approach to accomplishing this goal.&nbsp; Tear it down and they will come is not the answer. <font color="#000099"><strong>Don't tear it down and they definitely WON'T come.&nbsp; Once again it is not the citizens of Middletown's $$ that should be use to line the pockets of S8 Landlords.&nbsp; Having been a business owner for 22 yrs and the lose of my business due medical reasons, I do not expect the citizens of Middletown to pay my way or to make up for the lose of over $200,000.00 I suffered.&nbsp; Even though I am now blind with a heart condition and have no use of my right arm.&nbsp; I am now in the process of starting another business and I do not expect a hand out or freebie from the city or anyone else.&nbsp; Pacman<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Cool" title="Cool" /></strong></font></div></td></tr></table>]]>
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