Middletown Forum : poverty http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Manager : poverty Mon, 05 Oct 2026 15:47:45 +0000 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5346 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ poverty : both good pointsstill--you... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38679&title=poverty#38679 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jul 19 2013 at 3:00pm

both good points
still--you have to do everything possible to make it all as minimal as can be
not sure that we have done that around here
do the simple math--no way that it can work and probably only gets worse
 
jmo
]]> Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:00:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38679&title=poverty#38679 poverty : lrisner wrote:Debate the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38676&title=poverty#38676 Author: Bocephus
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Posted: Jul 19 2013 at 2:22pm

Originally posted by lrisner lrisner wrote:

Debate the causes of Middletown's poverty all you want, but you will not find the answer as it has already been given to you and you ignored it. Thank you squeemy (?).

Poverty is growing in the US and will continue to grow as we have a systemic political problem that looks hopeless in my opinion. As was stated earlier, Middletown is just ahead of the curve, more than likely due to it's proximity to I75. We had been in decline since the 60s when all the economic development had the lure of the interstate corridor pulling it to the I75 area away from Middletown proper and thus were already in decline high gear when the "destroy the middle class" project started.

The world Economy simply offered too much opportunity to the big money people of the World to pass up even if it meant that the middle class would take a hit. Unfortunately, as American Business has done of late, the long term consequences were ignored. When a Nation's economy exist with  70% of economic activity due to domestic consumer spending, how in the world can we ignore the the financial hit the middle class has taken and NOT expect that economic activity to wane? Additionally with a disproportional amount of  the profits now coming from the financial area, as was mentioned earlier, we have the event of "paper" profits verse concrete profits that are associated with manufacturing.

Can any of you educate me as to how things could be different given our current economic structure?   All the tax cuts in the World and even more  free trade than we have now are going to do nothing but make matters worst, yet that is all you hear out of Washington.

THAT is why Middletown has so much poverty.

 Also...be careful about how much you bash the poor as you may find yourself there faster than you ever expected. I know many people in just that position.


I think you hit the nail on the head, how ever I do think that the city leaders could have done a lot better job managing the city such as all the money wasted on their pet projects and horrible decisions.]]> Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:22:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38676&title=poverty#38676 poverty : Debate the causes of Middletown's... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38675&title=poverty#38675 Author: lrisner
Subject: 5346
Posted: Jul 19 2013 at 1:37pm

Debate the causes of Middletown's poverty all you want, but you will not find the answer as it has already been given to you and you ignored it. Thank you squeemy (?).

Poverty is growing in the US and will continue to grow as we have a systemic political problem that looks hopeless in my opinion. As was stated earlier, Middletown is just ahead of the curve, more than likely due to it's proximity to I75. We had been in decline since the 60s when all the economic development had the lure of the interstate corridor pulling it to the I75 area away from Middletown proper and thus were already in decline high gear when the "destroy the middle class" project started.

The world Economy simply offered too much opportunity to the big money people of the World to pass up even if it meant that the middle class would take a hit. Unfortunately, as American Business has done of late, the long term consequences were ignored. When a Nation's economy exist with  70% of economic activity due to domestic consumer spending, how in the world can we ignore the the financial hit the middle class has taken and NOT expect that economic activity to wane? Additionally with a disproportional amount of  the profits now coming from the financial area, as was mentioned earlier, we have the event of "paper" profits verse concrete profits that are associated with manufacturing.

Can any of you educate me as to how things could be different given our current economic structure?   All the tax cuts in the World and even more  free trade than we have now are going to do nothing but make matters worst, yet that is all you hear out of Washington.

THAT is why Middletown has so much poverty.

 Also...be careful about how much you bash the poor as you may find yourself there faster than you ever expected. I know many people in just that position.


]]> Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:37:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38675&title=poverty#38675 poverty : DarcyWe have several people in... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38602&title=poverty#38602 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 3:13pm

Darcy

We have several people in the Sherman area that are in motorized wheelchairs. They usually travel in the streets and not on the sidewalks when they are not in high traffic areas.

Darcy you are not allowed to trim city tree. You need to tie a ribbon around the tree and send an email to Ron Phelps ronp@cityofmiddletown.org so they can go out and trim back the tree.


]]> Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:13:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38602&title=poverty#38602 poverty : I salute you,Darcy, I hope your... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38601&title=poverty#38601 Author: over the hill
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Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 2:04pm

I salute you,Darcy, I hope your post can encourage others.]]> Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:04:59 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38601&title=poverty#38601 poverty : I have limb clippers, and... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38600&title=poverty#38600 Author: darcy1969
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Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 11:52am

Wink I have limb clippers, and am going to cut back an area of growth over the sidewalk on Breiel Boulevard that you have to duck and bob to get past. I will do what I can with limited time and resources and this is something I can do to help. One of the big issues with the city is they contract out a lot of work like mowing because they only have 6 employees I think I was told a few weeks ago. So there's too much work to be done and not enough employees.
 
I can draft a letter to give to local businesses and see if they can change some of the sidewalks or perhaps work with the city regarding the ADA Compliance. I will see if I can post the letter here for others to use if they want to do the same. All we can do is ask the city with detailed information, or ask the local businesses, and then if they won't step up to the plate then we see if we can do it ourselves by getting creative with fundraising. The worst response we can get is No, or no response. I have heard that a ton in the past and am sure I will hear it more in the future, but it doesn't stop me from asking and eventually you get tired of hearing it and begin speaking publicly or try to solve the problem with your own ingenuity, creativity, and determination! 
]]> Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:52:39 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38600&title=poverty#38600 poverty : We have a masonry company... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38599&title=poverty#38599 Author: darcy1969
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Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 11:46am

We have a masonry company with good workers right here in Middletown. The city is not ADA compliant I know, but if we start listing out specific areas that help our special needs be able to get to the grocery or local park if there is one in their neighborhood then provide that list to the city we can start to make baby steps in the right direction. I suggest any left over material from commercial jobs be used to fix the curbs and sidewalks in many areas. I ride a bike now since my van broke down and just from my temporary home to Save A Lot I had to get off my bike a couple times and walk to avoid side walk curbs that were not ramps. If I can't ride a bike then I know those with special needs cannot get very far. Now when I rode in the Sherman area it was much better, but there are a boat load of places surrounding Sherman that need work.
 
We have to start volunteering ourselves to help, or call on family, get prices to repair, talk to businesses, because many curbs can be fixed by local business person who owns the property where the sidewalk is, and the ones in neighborhoods perhaps they can have yard sales or baked goods sales or request churches to help make a difference? These are all ideas that everyone on here can use to help change it. We need to take initiative for our own communities. We need to make a list and prioritize it, and take baby steps toward improving. It's all good to identify the problems but complaining doesn't make anything change, action does. So we need to take pictures, print a map, identify the locations and need. Then provide that with a change request and if no response from the city then see what we can do to change it ourselves. Does that sound reasonable?
 
 
]]> Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:46:04 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38599&title=poverty#38599 poverty : Middletown is also a landlord... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38585&title=poverty#38585 Author: HdMechanical
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Posted: Jul 14 2013 at 8:12pm

Middletown is also a landlord on some properties....for which they receive vouchers. They also adminsiter the HUD program thru another entity which exists on paper and trail is muddled.....You can trace middletown housing authority back to being owned by hamilton housing authority...Then you can pull the scattered housing up and find many different landlords which  have partners. But you will find very little info on middletown public housing in regards to filings, tax id or other identifying documents....

The only way you can pinpoint properties owned by city of middletown and being rented is to enter the addresses and find them on Butler county website.

But I could be wrong.........
]]> Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:12:31 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38585&title=poverty#38585 poverty : http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38584&title=poverty#38584 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5346
Posted: Jul 14 2013 at 7:50pm

]]> Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:50:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38584&title=poverty#38584 poverty : Is the city paying Nelson Associates... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5346&PID=38583&title=poverty#38583 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 14 2013 at 7:21pm

Is the city paying Nelson Associates as much (or even more) than was paid to CONSO???
Perplexed
Yes I believe they are receiving more money…plus the City paid for the new software program to make Section 8 a paperless program.
Is it true that the city is spending a sizable percentage of all HUD grants for program administration plus program delivery???  This means salaries, fringe benefits, etc.

I’m sorry but I do not have the breakdown on the numbers for this department. You will need to request these records from Mr. Adkins

Over the Hill
Isn't doug adkins salary partially paid through HUD money and his secretary's whole salary paid by HUD funds? Yes
If the program is turned over to Butler Co. then will the secretary lose her job and what about adkins salary? Will the city keep paying him the same amount for his job of Community Revitilation, It's not like he's done a whole lot of "revitalizing"that you can see. Unless it's the "green spaces" he created with all the tear downs.
I guess that decision will be made by Ms Judy and City Council however I would think it would be very difficult to justify his job and his salary.

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