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Posted: Dec 10 2014 at 1:44pm

I owned a house on S. Sutphin in the 70s. When replacing the water line I got a look at the gas line and it was ancient. I'd hate to think it's still in use. ]]> Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:44:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=44162&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#44162 S Sutphin at Arlington : Redleg wrote:I note new gas... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=44146&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#44146 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Dec 10 2014 at 2:21am

Originally posted by Redleg Redleg wrote:

I note new gas meters on houses in this area. Have the gas lines on South Sutphin been replaced?
Only the ones that have exploded.]]> Wed, 10 Dec 2014 02:21:53 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=44146&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#44146 S Sutphin at Arlington : I note new gas meters on houses... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=44145&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#44145 Author: Redleg
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Posted: Dec 09 2014 at 10:27pm

I note new gas meters on houses in this area. Have the gas lines on South Sutphin been replaced? ]]> Tue, 09 Dec 2014 22:27:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=44145&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#44145 S Sutphin at Arlington : acclaro wrote:HHG, by chance,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39140&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39140 Author: Historic House Guy
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Posted: Aug 08 2013 at 7:59am

Originally posted by acclaro acclaro wrote:

HHG, by chance, do you do restoration of hard wood floors? I have an upstairs with 5 bedrooms and a large hall, all  hardwood, I wanted stripped, which I would re-stain. If so, could you send me please a private message with your business phone number? That might be on the facebook link as well. Thanks.
 
Sure do. Can't post pictures from my phone but you can see some of the floors on my Facebook page. My contact info is also there.
 
]]> Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:59:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39140&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39140 S Sutphin at Arlington : I understand the rules but... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39139&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39139 Author: Historic House Guy
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Posted: Aug 08 2013 at 7:49am

I understand the rules but how am I in violation? I spoke with Marty when we purchased the house and so far have not needed any permits for the work I've done aside from electrical.
]]> Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:49:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39139&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39139 S Sutphin at Arlington : Richard Saunders wrote: Vivian... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39138&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39138 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Aug 08 2013 at 5:19am

Originally posted by Richard Saunders Richard Saunders wrote:

Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

No rules or conditions unless the home is located within a historic district.
You will need to bring the property up to code.

The rules apply wherever the history Nazis want them to apply.  They regularly enforce them downtown, I mean clowntown, albeit selectively.
 
Bad luck, Historic Guy!!!  Saunders is correct!!!  Clowntown...oops...I mean downtown...is NOT a historic district and the Historic Council does indeed regularly enforce their will upon property owners (other than their friends) there.
 
Moreover, you should take care to stay on Kohler's good side.  You are already in violation of several parts of our illustrious "Historic Ordinance 1210", and are subject to a fine of $750 and imprisonment of 90 days for EACH and EVERY DAY that you remain in violation!!!  Treat Kohler and the other "historic Nazis" to regular treats of wine and cheese and you have nothing to worry about.
 
If you think I'm kidding, consider the following excerpts from Middletown's Codified City Ordinances:
 

1210.03 HISTORIC COMMISSION

(e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.

 
[HHG: Your house is a "place" and a "structure" that is "in the city", so at any time during one of its "continuous surveys" the Historic Nazis can claim jurisdiction by simply stating a "belief" that it may be eligible for such designation.]
 
1210.05 DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR HISTORIC DISTRICT

(a) Criteria. In considering any area, place, structure, work of art or similar object in the City as a historic site or historic district, the Historic Commission shall apply the following criteria:

 (4) Its embodiment of distinguishing characteristics of an architectural style or type;

 
[HHG: You, yourself, pointed out your house's "distinguishing characteristic" of living space above the porch!!!]

ts unique location

 

 

§ 1210.08 APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.

(a)   Any application to the Department of Planning and Economic Development or to the Division of Inspection for a demolition or building permit shall also be deemed an application for a certificate of appropriateness, and shall be forwarded to the Council on Landmarks and Historic Districts, together with copies of all detailed plans, designs, elevations, specifications, and related documents, along with a recommendation for approval or rejection from the Historic Preservation Administrator, within seven days after receipt thereof.

 

§ 1210.13 COMPLIANCE OF OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS.

All departments, officials and public employees of the City vested with the duty or authority to issue permits or licenses shall comply with the provisions of this chapter and shall issue no permit or license for any use, building or purpose in conflict with the provisions of this chapter. Any permit or license issued in conflict with the provisions of this chapter shall be null and void and of no effect whatever.

 

[Don't think that any permit or permission from any other department can save you from the wrath of these people!!!  Re-read the above!!!]

 

§ 1210.21 CONFLICTS OF LAW.

Where a provision of this chapter is found to be in conflict with a provision in any other law, the provision that establishes the higher standard shall prevail.

 

[HHG:  Trust me!!!  No matter what any building code or any other "provision in any other law" says, the demands of the Historic Nazis will be the higher (and more expensive) standard!!!]

 

§ 1210.99 PENALTY; EQUITABLE REMEDIES.

(a) Whoever violates or fails to comply with any of the provisions of this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree and shall be fined not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00) or imprisoned not more than 90 days, or both. A separate offense shall be deemed committed each day during or on which a violation or noncompliance occurs or continues.

 
[HHG; So, how many days have you been in violation???  We have several excellent bakers in town, but I don't know of any that will include a hacksaw in any of their delicious cakes.]
 
Disclaimer:  I am not, nor do I claim to be, an attorney or other person licensed to practice law in the State of Ohio.  Statements made by me are opinions only, and should not be taken as, or relied upon as, legal advice.  Please seek competent legal counsel for your particular situation.
 
]]> Thu, 08 Aug 2013 05:19:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39138&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39138 S Sutphin at Arlington : HHG, by chance, do you do restoration... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39137&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39137 Author: acclaro
Subject: 5404
Posted: Aug 07 2013 at 10:44pm

HHG, by chance, do you do restoration of hard wood floors? I have an upstairs with 5 bedrooms and a large hall, all  hardwood, I wanted stripped, which I would re-stain. If so, could you send me please a private message with your business phone number? That might be on the facebook link as well. Thanks.]]> Wed, 07 Aug 2013 22:44:22 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39137&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39137 S Sutphin at Arlington : Vivian Moon wrote:You will... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39135&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39135 Author: Historic House Guy
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Posted: Aug 07 2013 at 7:15pm

Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

You will need to bring the property up to code.


Actually, that's not true. The property is grandfathered. The only time you'll need to bring anything up to code is if you're making changes to a certain element of the house. If you have knob and tube wiring, you don't have to invest in changing it all unless (lets say your putting in a new kitchen. In that scenario, only wiring that services the kitchen needs to be brought up to code.

If you tear off those low railings on your front porch because you're convinced they can't be saved then you have to replace them with the ugly 36" high railings (instead of the typical 28" height of the older ones). Enjoy your view of your new bulky top rail...

I think the biggest mistake of old home owners is they just start tearing things out and then discover they need to comply with new codes when they replace things. It totally destroys the balance and design of the older home and you can never go back from there. Sad really.
]]> Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:15:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39135&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39135 S Sutphin at Arlington : This is the house across the corner... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39134&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39134 Author: Historic House Guy
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Posted: Aug 07 2013 at 7:01pm

This is the house across the corner from us. An elderly lady lives there and I don't know anything about her but to me, this house inspires me to get our place back to it's original fabrics.]]> Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:01:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39134&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39134 S Sutphin at Arlington : A few good people have purchased... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5404&PID=39133&title=s-sutphin-at-arlington#39133 Author: Historic House Guy
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Posted: Aug 07 2013 at 6:52pm

A few good people have purchased homes around us since we've been here. The house next to us, across the street at Arlington was a wreck but the new owners put a lot of hard work into it and are now living there. Still have some work to do but they've made great improvements.

The big blue brick house with 2 story tall pillars on the front was just purchased a few months ago and has a new family living there. Mine and the two others were all purchased for less than $20k. How do you not take advantage of that???

We had originally put in an offer on a house at South Main St but after signing several extensions and finding out the house was 2 generations deep in bankruptcy we decided to move on. It eventually sold but I feel we got the better deal here. It took about $2k to get things livable and a lot of our hard work pulling carpets to discover hardwood floors on the first floor. Nice compliment to the beautiful pocket door and fireplace. You just don't get this stuff anymore!
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