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   <title>We are broke! : ARGH.. I just heard someone at...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29">.308</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;12&nbsp;2008 at 4:36pm<br /><br />ARGH.. I just heard someone at work say, in regards to our NationalDebt that "We had a surplus under Clinton".. They would not believe mewhen I told them that Clinton only had individual budget surpluses for the year butthat the overall national debt was alive and growing even then.]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : I just heard something on CNN...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11">arwendt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;10&nbsp;2008 at 8:03pm<br /><br />I just heard something on CNN that reminded me of this thread.<br><br>A guy said "Imagine all these banks are poker players sitting around the table playing a game of Texas holdem, then all of a sudden you find out several of the players have no money to back their chips up with. Any sane poker game would end right then."<br><br>But with the bailout we have of course given these players a re-buy and the game continues.<br><br>But now with the news tonight that the Fed may to some degree actually nationalize the banks it looks like we are in a manner of speaking all in this poker game like it or not.<br><br>Anyway.. good early call on the broke thread .308<br>]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : Not to mention that during the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=37">drumford</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;10&nbsp;2008 at 6:19pm<br /><br />Not to mention that during the Reagon years was the largest shift of wealth ever seen by this country except for......now.]]>
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   <title>We are broke! :   .308 wrote: [  Ernie wrote:Most...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29">.308</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;08&nbsp;2008 at 3:03pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by .308" alt="Originally posted by .308" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>.308 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P>&#091;<table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Ernie" alt="Originally posted by Ernie" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Ernie wrote:</strong><br /><br />Most people are so caught up in the arguments over D and R and pointing fingers wanting to blame someone when all along we the people are to blame.&nbsp; Just a thought.</td></tr></table> <BR>&nbsp;<BR>Ernie - True!!!!!<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The problem is that both parties have tried their best to give the people what they want. (The war in Iraq excluded).&nbsp; And that "policy" to be polite, or "scheme to get votes" to be more realistic, has for 40 years built up a giant deficit. <BR>&nbsp;<BR>Saying the economy was better under Clinton is fine, I would not argue. But I think the real problem is the mindset that would say a 5 Trillion Dollar Deficit (as existed under Clinton) was not all that bad.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The deficit in the 90's was like a small hole in the haul of a big party boat. We were all having a good time on the cruise, but the boat was still sinking.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>On MainStreetMonroe.com there is a very very very active forum. <a href="http://www.mainstreetm&#111;nroe.com/Voice/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=2" target="_blank">http://www.mainstreetmonroe.com/Voice/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=2</A> <BR>There are about two dozen new threads a day with hundreds of posts on that forum. Someone put out a thread about the Freddie Mac and Fannie May Fed takeover. That is of course a giant story that has very far reaching implications. It has 3 replies and will soon be pushed off the page for inactivity.</P><P>I mention this because it’s an example of the average person only worrying about the immediate things that affect them. That story, much like the deficit, will go ignored by most people.</P></td></tr></table> ]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : &amp;#034;Was dad really that wrong...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11">arwendt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;08&nbsp;2008 at 2:52pm<br /><br />"Was dad really that wrong to think that?"<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Nope and I think the same way.&nbsp;But expecting the Gov to be there with even more support is just making the problem worse.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I see the war in Iraq could cost up to 3 Trillion. Better not let my dad see that.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : [  Ernie wrote:Most people are...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=29">.308</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;08&nbsp;2008 at 1:17pm<br /><br /><P>&#091;<table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Ernie" alt="Originally posted by Ernie" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Ernie wrote:</strong><br /><br />Most people are so caught up in the arguments over D and R and pointing fingers wanting to blame someone when all along we the people are to blame.&nbsp; Just a thought.</td></tr></table> <BR>&nbsp;<BR>Ernie - True!!!!!<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The problem is that both parties have tried their best to give the people what they want. (The war in Iraq excluded).&nbsp; And that "policy" to be polite, or "scheme to get votes" to be more realistic, has for 40 years built up a giant deficit. <BR>&nbsp;<BR>Saying the economy was better under Clinton is fine, I would not argue. But I think the real problem is the mindset that would say a 5 Trillion Dollar Deficit (as existed under Clinton) was not all that bad.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The deficit in the 90's was like a small hole in the haul of a big party boat. We were all having a good time on the cruise, but the boat was still sinking.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>On MainStreetMonroe.com there is a very very very acive forum. <a href="http://www.mainstreetm&#111;nroe.com/Voice/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=2" target="_blank">http://www.mainstreetmonroe.com/Voice/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=2</A> <BR>There are about two dozen new threads a day with hundreds of posts on that forum. Someone put out a thread about the Freddie Mac and Fannie May Fed takeover. That is of course a giant story that has very far reaching implications. It has 3 replies and will soon be pushed off the page for inactivity.</P><P>I mention this because it’s an example of the average person only worrying about the immediate things that affect them. That story, much like the deficit, will go ignored by most people.</P>]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : Wow...out of all that could of...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=122">Ernie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;08&nbsp;2008 at 9:51am<br /><br />Wow...out of all that could of ran and to end up with these two. The one golden boy who is good at talking and has not ran nothing...not even a cub scout pack and the other who is ready to fall over at any time. A sad day for Americans. Either can say what they want but in all the years not one has ever complied with there campaining promiss. Pick a D or pick a R and its all about hoping for the best. So many arguments over a&nbsp;D and R. It's so sad to see educated people pick sides. It never has been so much a D or R but rather the circimstances the president was handed and had to deal with. There are good time and there are bad times. So keep the fires going, build them high because it it so easy to blame a D or R for the things we are facing as Americans. Most people are so caught up in the arguments over D and R and pointing fingers wanting to blame someone when all along we the people are to blame.&nbsp; Just a thought.]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : You&amp;#039;re right Tazman. PAC/lobbyists...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;07&nbsp;2008 at 8:22am<br /><br />You're right Tazman. PAC/lobbyists money is the real influential power in Washington. Did you see the segments on the parties put on by special interest groups for candidates of both parties.( It was comical watching John Boehner try to dance at one of them) Bill Maher had a guy on his show that did a segment on that subject. Obama and McCain both said that the PAC/lobbyists influence was going to be reduced this time, but I can see by the news stories that that will not happen. All of these politician clowns will sell their soul to the groups with the most money. Corrupt and disgusting- both parties.Problem is- when you exercise your right to vote, and you're voting for change, the outcome never changes- "Joe Average" citizen never gets the better end of the stick. Rich people, corporations and special interests always win. My family votes but the question is- why, when it will never favor the "regular" people?Exactly what do we all get out of voting that will ensure what the people want?Politicians- people you love to hate!]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : As much as I would never jump...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=69">Tazman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;06&nbsp;2008 at 10:33am<br /><br />As much as I would never jump to defend Reagen or any of the others-it isn't just one person or administration or political party that has gotten us into this mess.  We like to think that with a new administration that we will get change.  Not as long as PACs, Lobbyists, Corporate America and the old time staffers have more clout with the people setting the policies and spending the money than the American people as a whole. <br /><br />If you the history check on key people, you'll see just who has been around in Washington all the way back to the Reagen administration and how they have never been elected to a position---but have set the policy that has gotten us where we are.  <br /><br />]]>
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   <title>We are broke! : Yep- Carter was the nice old grandpa...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 541<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;06&nbsp;2008 at 10:23am<br /><br />Yep- Carter was the nice old grandpa type, not Presidential material.Definite Democratic Party cluster. While mentioning the Carter years, mention the Reagan years when he changed the landscape of the workplace in the 80's when he removed many of the worker's rights and the ability to show displeasure with management without paying the price. The workers voice in the workplace was reduced by Reagan. (and no, I've never been affiliated with a union.)]]>
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