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   <title>got your glasses on : Funny I was told by Street Maintenance...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1063">ktf1179</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;06&nbsp;2013 at 9:10am<br /><br />Funny I was told by Street Maintenance and Engineering that Boylston, Dickens, Vancouver, and Dover were schedule to be repaved next year. They better not take these roads off the list, these roads have not been repaved since they were built in the 60's and 70's. and have so many pot holes patched that your car feels like you are driving on rumble strips. <br>]]>
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   <title>got your glasses on :   processor wrote: I also believe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;06&nbsp;2013 at 4:34am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by processor" alt="Originally posted by processor" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>processor wrote:</strong><br /><br /><DIV>I also believe that until the basic things are taken care of crime, infrastructure, taxes, etc&nbsp;business will not locate in Middletown and Middletown won't start to turn the corner.&nbsp; It will take business and not art and other government type programs.&nbsp; Not sexy or glamorous or easy or quick, but basic blocking, tackling and work is the only way I know to start to make a difference to the city.</DIV></td></tr></table><FONT size=2> Processor:</FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>I believe that you are spot on here.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Think back to the first couple hundred years of our country's existence.&nbsp; Government took care of defense, infrastructure and public safety and kept taxes low.&nbsp; People came here from all over the world with nothing (or next to nothing) except the will to work and the desire to make a better life for their children&nbsp; than they had.&nbsp; (They also had the memories of how difficult life was in the "old country".)&nbsp; Within a generation or two, many became extremely wealthy; many, many more became upper middle class;&nbsp; most became at least&nbsp;middle class and led fairly comfortable lives.&nbsp; Those that just couldn't make it were cared for by their relatives, friends, and charitable organizations.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Then the various levels of government began trying to "help" and the middle class began shrinking as it became more difficult to succeed on one's own and the government giveaways became more lucrative than working for a living after taxes.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>City Hall's old, repeated&nbsp;idea to legislate success downtown&nbsp;smack in the face&nbsp;of market forces is doomed to fail, yet they&nbsp;seem determined to keep trying to do so over and over if it takes every last penny the taxpayers have.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Have you noted that they keep ignoring their own definition of "façade"???&nbsp; Oh well, I guess they figure we taxpayers have plenty of money to pay for downtown building owner's MAINTENANCE.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>And did you notice that, at last Tuesday's council meeting,&nbsp;Joe Mulligan is already pitching for the repaving of Central Avenue downtown???&nbsp; I guess he's forgotten it was just completely rebuilt about 10 years ago.&nbsp; What about the rest of the city, Joe???</FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2013 04:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>got your glasses on :   So true. So sad but true. </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=274">Perplexed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 9:33pm<br /><br />So true.&nbsp; So sad but true.]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>got your glasses on :   Nice to know that we are somewhat...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 7:39pm<br /><br />Nice to know that we are somewhat on the same page.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Another thing that is greatly effecting our property values is our city's direction of buying deteriorating un-used properties for high sums, then PAYING others to take them, with little to no contingencies or conditions towards their use, job creation or contribution to the taxed base.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>In essence, city admin has determined that business property(particularly in the former downtown area) has no $$ value at all. Someone would be crazy to purchase anything down there, when everything else is given away + subsidized. This factor kept me from buying a very nice piece that I really wanted. It was sold privately very low, and has been very poorly developed imo. Just imagine anyone down there with a desire to divest their properties--the city has hardly been their friend.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This also affects residential real estate prices.</div><div>But hey--it keeps people from selling and leaving!</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>got your glasses on :   Spider,Not too long or too...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1408">processor</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 4:34pm<br /><br />Spider,<div></div>Not too long or too harsh an answer.&nbsp; I was trying to understand what you meant and now I know.&nbsp; I agree that Middletown is in a mess.&nbsp; I don't know if&nbsp;the mess&nbsp;was entirely caused by past administrations/managers, but I do believe that many of their actions and policies did not help the situation.&nbsp; The section 8 situation is horrible and I believe that instead of reducing the vouchers they should eliminate all of them.&nbsp; If this causes the Fed's to stop with the grant money then so be it as I don't see where all of the building purchases etc have contributed to the re-building of Middletown.&nbsp; If anything it's caused the admin to take their eye of the ball of low taxes,&nbsp;crime reduction,&nbsp;solid infrastructure, the basic things a city needs to grow and prosper.&nbsp;&nbsp;<div>&nbsp;</div><div>I also believe that until the basic things are taken care of crime, infrastructure, taxes, etc&nbsp;business will not locate in Middletown and Middletown won't start to turn the corner.&nbsp; It will take business and not art and other government type programs.&nbsp; Not sexy or glamorous or easy or quick, but basic blocking, tackling and work is the only way I know to start to make a difference to the city.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Thanks for clarifying your earlier comment.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2013 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>got your glasses on :   processor:1.PAST manipulation...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 12:24pm<br /><br />processor:<div>&nbsp;</div><div>1.PAST manipulation of city demographics concerning the glut of Section 8 forced on the community by design.</div><div>I AGREE with the current effort at reduction, however the damage has been done, and the effects will linger for quite a while IF we ever reduce the concentration. Too many admins/commissions/councils have ignored this issue and played along in order to use the funding possibly not to the best overall community interest imo. I lay&nbsp;the blame on city managers, economic development directors, ccommission and council members.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>2. The declaration of the entire city being a 54% poverty zone, and declaring my current business location area as the highest crime area + blight within the city, and "beyond repair" justifying nothing being done to remedy the situation + virtually no houses coming down in this area SO FAR. The damage has been done.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>3. We have spent too much $$ supporting "art" and driving our economically depressed population OUT of the former downtown area(you know that Hope House will be next with the Rose deal happening). This has only shifted these people into the immediate surrounding neighborhoods. "Art" has brought few jobs to the city, and has contributed little to the income/payroll/property tax bases. Could we get some real #s on Pendleton's contributions vs. our cash/property outlays to them? A nice little weekend entertainment disctrict and "bashes" have done little to realistically bring our community back.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>4. Area crime is out of control and broadcast nightly on area news feeds. We have a horrible reputation among nearby community residents. 60 theft ring suspects arrested in the I75 busts--32 living in Middletown(all probably back on the streets already). Retail businesses are reluctant to consider our city due the publicity and hard #s supporting the same. Higher-paying employers are challenged by our available work force.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Here I also take issue to Sgt.Ream's comment in today's MJ stating:</div><div>"They(retailers) are spending pennies to save thousands"</div><div>Many small retailers locally now spend more on security than they actually lose by theft.</div><div>SAFETY--business-worker-customer-neighborhood--is now an equal or higher priority. Everyone must feel safe working and shopping in a business and neighborhood(along with in their homes!). That cost to provide that safety is prohibitive in small independant businesses. The big box retailers are spending more now because they HAVE to do so, and they are still being raped locally by the zombie junkie thieves, which feed our over-saturation of swap shops and flea markets(soon to be the only businesses left within our "inner city". We can make all of the arrests and headlines, however these people end up back on the streets quickly back to doing what they do.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Do I have quality answers to this?</div><div>Some--however I am out of the local decision-making mix, only working on my neighborhood, business property and co-worker situations. We have a mess on our hands, brought on largely(hardly exclusively)by the past leaderships.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Hope that I have not gone on too long or harshly, processor, since you seem to be calm, well-informed and constructive. I look forward to reading your thoughts on my comments.</div>]]>
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   <title>got your glasses on : Spider, it does all come back...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1299">over the hill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 10:13am<br /><br />Spider, it does all come back to city admin!!!]]>
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   <title>got your glasses on : Middletown made this mornings...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=555">bumper</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 10:13am<br /><br />&nbsp;Middletown made this mornings news!! wlwt news 5 has a video on the web site&nbsp;interviewing Mabel Fletcher.. &nbsp;and a pic of the <strong>zombie she almost bagged...</strong>]]>
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   <title>got your glasses on :   Spider,What do you mean by...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1408">processor</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;05&nbsp;2013 at 10:12am<br /><br />Spider,<div>What do you mean by "city admin manipulation of our demographics"?&nbsp; Isn't section 8 and all of the other subsidized housing in Middletown "manipulation of our demographic"?</div>]]>
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   <title>got your glasses on : Add in the massive theft ring...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5447<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Sep&nbsp;04&nbsp;2013 at 10:00pm<br /><br />Add in the massive theft ring operating locally to feed the large # of swap shops and flea markets, and you will understand why local retail is dying as we type.<br />Bo and bumper have it right--there is no dealing with the wave of doped-out zombies roaming our streets.<br />So--do you think that ANY of them will actually do jail time, or that any property will get back to it's owners?<br /><br />But our admin has chosen to invest in "art" as our savior at the expense of public safety.<br />We can blame a lot on Section 8 saturation, but it all comes back to city admin manipulation of our demographics.<br /><br />Jmo of course!]]>
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