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   <title>Middletown to cut 26 first responders :   I agree, Vivian. </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=274">Perplexed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 4:18pm<br /><br />I agree, Vivian.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" />]]>
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   <title>Middletown to cut 26 first responders : AcclaroWe need the cuts at City...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 2:10pm<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Acclaro<BR>We need the cuts at City Hall in order to have extra money to put back into the reserve funds to bring them to 25 percent again.<BR>I still believe that the revenues of </SPAN><?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Middletown</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3> will continue to decline over the next three years. <BR>The only problem with Josh’s proposal is that it should have been adopted 14 years ago.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 12:50pm<br /><br />Correction&nbsp;o multiple fronts:<div></div><div></div>FACT- Bill Becker ran this financial model and stated openly and repeatedly&nbsp;(and&nbsp;exactly) what Mr. Laubach said when Becker was city manager as far back as early 2000 period.<div></div>FACT- Paragraph 4- Gilleland:<div></div>&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>"She said $2.25 million needs to be reduced in general fund expenditures over the next two to three years and those cuts are set to be split proportionally among police, fire <u>and non-public safety."</u></em><div></div><em><strong><u>Non public safety means administrative staff.<br></u></strong></em><div></div>FACT- Becker states 25% is required to run city 90 days; Laubach states he is fine with&nbsp;15%, or about 45 days surplus funding. High risk in 15% set aside fund. Disagree with JL on analysis.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACTS are friends, not enemies.</div>]]>
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   <title>Middletown to cut 26 first responders : Really defeat of SB5 made the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1433">HdMechanical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 12:46pm<br /><br /><div>Really defeat of SB5 made the decisions easier..........Cut jobs to balance budgets. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><a href="http://www.dayt&#111;ndailynews.com/news/news/state-regi&#111;nal/sb-5-impact-&#111;n-public-safety-could-vary-by-area/nMt9W/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/state-regional/sb-5-impact-on-public-safety-could-vary-by-area/nMt9W/</a><div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Gary Sheets, Butler County human resources director, said SB 5 was introduced to give the management side more authority and restrict certain bargaining issues.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Sheets said there is jealousy between certain groups; for instance, some have step increases that others don’t have.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">“Well, when I begin to hear people who are not in bargaining units say they wish they were in a bargaining unit, that concerns me,” Sheets said.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Binding arbitration</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Changes to binding arbitration would affect all departments, said Kettering City Manager Mark Schwieterman.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Instead of an independent, third-party arbitrator deciding the issues, SB 5 gives that task to elected representatives — city councils and city commissions.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">“That changes the process and the final resolution,” Schwieterman said.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Many local council members and city managers have long complained that the current binding arbitration favors unions, driving up contract costs.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">Schwieterman said SB 5’s elimination of third-party binding arbitration would increase control at the local level.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">“The reliance on the third party for that decision has taken the final decision away from our elected officials.”</p></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1433">HdMechanical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 12:28pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/layoffs-may-follow-sb-5-defeat-local-officials-s-1/nNKyw/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/layoffs-may-follow-sb-5-defeat-local-officials-s-1/nNKyw/</a><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/brownout-avoided-as-council-wrestles-with-fire-bud/nNfRc/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/brownout-avoided-as-council-wrestles-with-fire-bud/nNfRc/</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/middletown-council-cuts-police-fire-jobs/nNfSr/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/middletown-council-cuts-police-fire-jobs/nNfSr/</a></div><div><br></div><div>With the passage of SB5 the city would have had options. But now they will cut jobs, hopefully care packages were made up for the fellow union members who will be cut. After all you have had 2 years to see the writing on the wall. Pay concessions across the board maintains current staffing. The next time your union tells you something , research it for yourselves before voting........CommonSense applied to the SB5 vote would have been a game changer today..</div><div><br></div><div>Regardless of union contracts &nbsp;, when the city has no money there will be cuts in staffing.........</div>]]>
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   <title>Middletown to cut 26 first responders : &amp;#034;The unions that represent...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 12:03pm<br /><br />"The unions that represent those in public safety would have to rework their contracts. City Manager Judy Gilleland had said earlier the unions refused to renegotiate the contracts"<br /><br />"Gilleland said she’d like to reduce the size of the city’s fire department from 79 positions to 64 by the end of 2014, which would include nine firefighters and six grant-funded positions. No positions can be lost until the grant terminates in September 2014, she said.<br /><br />She’d also like for the city to reduce the size of the police department by seven, the four police officers whose salaries are funded through grants and not fill the three vacant positions: two dispatchers and one corrections officer.<br /><br />She said $2.25 million needs to be reduced in general fund expenditures over the next two to three years and those cuts are set to be split proportionally among police, fire and non-public safety."<br /><br />SO, IT WOULD APPEAR GILLELAND HAS IT OUT FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE UNIONS FOR NOT SEEING IT HER WAY IN NEGOTIATIONS. THEN, PROMPTLY SINGLES OUT THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPTS USING CUTS TO "GET EVEN" PERHAPS? MAYBE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HER VINDICTIVE CHILDISH BEHAVIOR? SHE DIDN'T GET THAT NICKNAME OF THE "QUEEN" FOR NOTHING DID SHE? SHE'S PROBABLY BEEN GIVEN OTHER NAMES THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO MENTION HERE. <br /><br />I NOTICED SHE HAS YET TO MENTION ANY CUTS, INCLUDING HER GIVING UP SOME OF HER 6 FIGURE SALARY TO HELP THE CAUSE. HOW ABOUT SOME SACRIFICE AT THE CITY BUILDING FOR PEOPLE IN THE UPPER POSITIONS? IF SHE IS TOUTING SACRIFICE WITH THE SAFETY PERSONNEL SHE SHOULD SET AN EXAMPLE AND TAKE A HIT HERSELF. OTHERWISE, SHE HAS NO CREDIBILITY. BUT....WHAT ELSE IS NEW.  <br /><br />CONCERNING LAUBACH'S SUGGESTIONS.......SHOULDN'T THE FINANCE DIRECTOR BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THIS DILEMMA AND ROUTINELY INFORMING THE COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER AND OTHERS ALL ALONG? THE FINANCIAL DIRECTOR WORKS WITH THE MONEY FLOW EVERY DAY. WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN ALL THIS TIME? DID IT TAKE A COUNCILMEMBER TO BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE OTHERS. SHOULDN'T THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS BEEN ON TOP OF THIS ALL ALONG? ISN'T THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES OF CITY MONEY ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES FOR CITY LEADERSHIP? WHAT HAVE THE COUNCIL AND CITY BUILDING LEADERS BEEN DOING WHEN READING THE YEARLY BUDGET PROJECTIONS, WITH CONCENTRATION ON MONEY TAKEN IN VERSUS MONEY PAID OUT? THEY TALKED ABOUT DECLINING REVENUE, BUT STOPPED SHORT OF ACTUALLY ACTING ON SOLUTIONS TO REMEMDY THE SITUATION (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GRANTS,FED LOANS, HUD MONEY, ETC) HANDOUTS IS THEIR SOLUTION TO REVENUE GENERATION. TOTALLY CLUELESS. TOTALLY INEPT. <br /><br />WHERE IS THE COMMON SENSE IN MONEY HANDLING? LAUBACH TALKS ABOUT THE STATE OF THE CITY FINANCES IN THE FUTURE. NONE OF THE OTHERS HAS GIVEN IT A THOUGHT APPARENTLY......UNTIL THIS MEETING. AND THEN THERE'S MULLIGAN THE MAYOR, MUMBLING COMMENTS THAT MEAN NOTHING. HE CUTS RIBBONS AND READS PROCLAMATIONS REAL WELL. HE'S A SMILING FACE FOR THE CITY........BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, HE IS WITHOUT SUBSTANCE NOR REALLY CONTRIBUTES. AGREE.....MAKE LAUBACH THE LEADER OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DIRECTION. SEND LAWRENCE BACK TO S. MAIN WITH HIS BUDDIES. <br /> <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 11:19am<br /><br />Pardon the interruption but:<div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT; SR5 dealt with this issue and was defeated, now the city is doing it.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- Economics 101, businesses model&nbsp;budgets weekly, the model is correct.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT: Fairfield has volunteers that fight fires, lowered numbers to run EMT; fact, Middletown has 65%&nbsp; senior citizen ratio, but ball is in fire fighter court, make concessions or out of job.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT: No Dan Picard, shill of fire union, they won't go elsewhere, no place to go. They also&nbsp;&nbsp;want the pecking order for advancement. They lose such when they move to another city, unless chief takes chief, Captain takes Captain, that rarely occurs.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- Outsourcing administrative functions is appropriate, and a cost savor.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- cuts should extend through administrative functions, including court, management, clerks, et al.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- Dora and Dan will not have the majority to have impact saving the cuts.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- city hired ED personnel that did not deliver.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- city gave Atrium $5 Mm for infrastructure that did not deliver jobs as stated.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- AK move to West Chester hurt tax revenues, city is not recovering.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT- attempts to raise taxes will come, but they will fai, school levy litmus test.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>FACT-&nbsp;negotiate and bargain saves jobs, fighting windmills and losing jobs has no benefit. Ask AK union.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 10:50am<br /><br /><DIV =cmTimeStamp>Posted: 8:02 a.m. Wednesday, Nov. 20, 2013</DIV><H1 =cmLargerH1>Council member’s proposal: Cut police, fire salaries</H1><DIV id=cmArticleWell><P =cmCredit>By <a href="http://www.journal-news.com/staff/rick-mccrabb/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><U>Rick McCrabb</U></A></P><P =cmSource>Staff Writer </P><P =cmDateline>MIDDLETOWN — </P><DIV ="cmArticle cmOC&#111;ntainer">On the night City Council was expected to approve the city’s 2014 budget, an out-going member threw a curveball.<P>Josh Laubach, who wasn’t re-elected to his second term earlier this month, proposed what he called a “sustainable alternative” budget at Tuesday night’s council meeting. Laubach told council that based on increased expenditures and reduced revenue, the city could be bankrupt by 2016.</P><P>He said it was time the city got off the fiscal “roller coaster.”</P><P>Based on projects, he said, the city would have an ending balance of negative $1.7 million by 2015, and that number would jump to $4.9 million by 2016. He said under the current trajectory, cost of the city’s “most valuable services,” police and fire, will increase up to $26 million a year in the next decade and that would consume nearly 95 percent of today’s general fund revenues.</P><P>He said a moderate tax levy and economic growth would not be enough to offset the rise in personnel costs.</P><P>Laubach said the city needs to balance its budget annually, and maintain public safety within a 65-68 percent window of total general fund expenditures.</P><P>Based on his alternative proposed budget, Laubach said the city could avoid layoffs to the police and fire departments, add five patrol officer positions, add two full-time and five part-time positions in the fire department and maintain a 15-percent balance for long-term stability.</P><P>To reach this goal, he said the average cost of a police officer would have to drop from $107,000 to $92,000 and the average cost of a fire fighter from $104,000 to $87,000. The average cost of all other city employees would remain at $83,000, he said.</P><P>The unions that represent those in public safety would have to rework their contracts. City Manager Judy Gilleland had said earlier the unions refused to renegotiate the contracts.</P><P>Vice mayor Dan Picard, a vocal supporter of public safety, which he credited for his re-election, doubted whether Middletown could attract police and fire fighters to work in the city if the wages were significantly lower than surrounding communities.</P><P>Laubach argued they’d work in Middletown if they knew the city was on solid financial footing.</P><P>Mayor Larry Mulligan said he thought the budget proposal was “worth pursuing.”</P><P>Laubach then was critical of Picard for supporting public safety, but never proposing ways to financially support the police and fire departments. By the end of the 2 1/2-hour meeting, Picard and Laubach, who sit next to each other, rarely made eye contact.</P><P>Council approved the 2014 budget, and said it would consider Laubach’s proposal and discuss further at the next meeting, Dec. 3. Picard tried unsuccessfully to get the overtime money from the police and fire departments removed from the budget and he wanted Gilleland to reapply for public safety grants, but no one on council would second his motions.</P><P>The city is considering eliminating as many as 22 public safety positions, 15 from the fire department and seven from the police department, by 2015. City officials say budget projections won’t allow the city to sustain its workforce, and since 70 percent of the general fund is earmarked to public safety, that’s where the majority of cuts must come.</P><P>Cris Kelly, president of the FOP Local 36, and Chris Klug, vice president of IAFF Local 336, have said they don’t want the cuts to come out of the public safety budget.</P><P>Gilleland said she’d like to reduce the size of the city’s fire department from 79 positions to 64 by the end of 2014, which would include nine firefighters and six grant-funded positions. No positions can be lost until the grant terminates in September 2014, she said.</P><P>She’d also like for the city to reduce the size of the police department by seven, the four police officers whose salaries are funded through grants and not fill the three vacant positions: two dispatchers and one corrections officer.</P><P>She said $2.25 million needs to be reduced in general fund expenditures over the next two to three years and those cuts are set to be split proportionally among police, fire and non-public safety.</P></DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1299">over the hill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 10:14am<br /><br />I agree with you VIVIAN, didn't here a WORD about cuts in administration in the city building.  If Judy thinks our city is worth saving then step up to the plate and do some hard cuts in salaries. P.G. again we all know Judy should be gone,but we also know our "paper" mayor doesn't have the B-lls to do it. Because he likes things the way they are.I have never seen someone like him who can hide his head in the sand and ignore the rest of the city like it doesn't exist.Poor excuse of a mayor. IMO Well, Josh stick around in 2 years you may be Mayor.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5519<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2013 at 10:12am<br /><br /><P>I see an article about this on the Journal website.&nbsp; Sounds fine but unrealistic.</P>]]>
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