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Middletown Forum : McClure Resignation http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : School Board : McClure Resignation Tue, 06 Oct 2026 16:20:07 +0000 Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:01:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5560 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ McClure Resignation : processor wrote:Mike,That's... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40665&title=mcclure-resignation#40665 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Dec 19 2013 at 6:01pm

processor wrote:

Mike,
That's disappointing to hear. I'm more familiar with school stuff. I know that the board continually has trouble finding enough people to serve on various committees. I also know that no one has been turned down. Maybe the city needs to take a page from the school board's play book.

Processor,

Perhaps the School Board just has to make their needs more well known. I became aware of just one school committee that needed members (the Facilities Committee) in the last several years. I applied, was accepted, and served.

]]> Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:01:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40665&title=mcclure-resignation#40665 McClure Resignation : Mike,That's disappointing... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40662&title=mcclure-resignation#40662 Author: processor
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Posted: Dec 19 2013 at 12:25pm

Mike,
That's disappointing to hear. I'm more familiar with school stuff. I know that the board continually has trouble finding enough people to serve on various committees. I also know that no one has been turned down. Maybe the city needs to take a page from the school board's play book.]]> Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:25:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40662&title=mcclure-resignation#40662 McClure Resignation : processor wrote:Vet,I think... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40653&title=mcclure-resignation#40653 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Dec 18 2013 at 3:30pm

processor wrote:

Vet,
I think that you're right that it's typically the same people who pop up on all the committees. However, I believe that this is because there is only a core group of people who are willing to sacrifice their personal time to serve on these boards and committees. To solve this more people need to get involved and spend their time on this work. I agree with Ms. Andrew that Greg Tyus was deserving of the appointment for no other reason than he spent the time and effort running for the position.

Processor:

A few years ago, the city announced openings and called for applicants on most of the city boards and commissions, and stated that they welcomed new faces.

I submitted the required form along with my resume and offered to serve on several of the boards and commissions for which my career and life experience well-qualified me. I never heard a word back from City Hall and all of the appointments went to the same core group of "friends of City Hall" as usual.

I am not saying you are wrong, but your supposition did not seem to apply...at least in my case.

]]> Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:30:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40653&title=mcclure-resignation#40653 McClure Resignation : processor wrote:Vet,I think... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40652&title=mcclure-resignation#40652 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Dec 18 2013 at 10:19am

I won't argue with your statements here, however, I would like to add a few comments in relation to the topic.

We do see the same names and faces participating in all facets of this town's decision-making process. I agree with your statement that it is due to a core group of people who are willing to sacrifice their time......

HOWEVER, I would like to add this statement to your comment......

THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD RELISH THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE, BE IT ON COUNCIL, ON SCHOOL BOARD OR ON THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES IN TOWN. THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THOSE SAME PEOPLE CANNOT PARTICIPATE.

1. SOME JOBS, DUE TO THE HOURS WORKED, THE INABILITY TO GET TIME OFF DURING DAYTIME WORKING HOURS TO ATTEND VARIOUS MEETINGS AND FUNCTIONS. IF YOU DON'T OWN A BUSINESS AND CALL THE SHOTS, IF YOU WORK SHIFT WORK OR IF YOU AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH ON THE FOOD CHAIN IN POSITION TO JUST TAKE THE TIME OFF, YOU ARE AT THE MERCY OF YOUR EMPLOYER AND MOST FROWN ON TENDING TO CITY AFFAIRS DURING WORKING HOURS. MULLIGAN CAN TAKE OFF WHENEVER HE WANTS BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION AT THE BANK. MORT COULD TAKE TIME OFF BECAUSE SHE WAS IN BUSINESS FOR HERSELF........

2. GREG TYUS GOT THE ASSIGNMENT BY DEFAULT. THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE. GREG TYUS ALSO HAS A WORKING POSITION THAT ALLOWS HIM TO TAKE TIME AS NEEDED FOR SCHOOL BOARD FUNCTIONS. IT IS A SHAME THAT THE VOTERS ELECTED ANOTHER, YET END UP WITH THE ONE WHO FINISHED LAST AND WAS EXTRACATED FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT THAT THE PEOPLE WANTED ANOTHER AND GOT THE SAME PERSON OUSTED BASED ON TAKING THE DECISION-MAKING OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE VOTER AND RIGHT BACK IN THE HANDS OF A SPECIAL GROUP. NATURALLY, THEY ARE GOING TO RETURN TO WHO THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

3. THIS CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT YOU MENTION ARE FORMED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A POSITION THAT ALLOWS THEM SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO PARTICIPATE. MOST OF US MAKE A LIVING BY A SET OF RULES SET UP BY THE EMPLOYER AND THAT SET OF RULES DOESN'T ALLOW US THE FREEDOM TO COME AND GO AS WE PLEASE TO RUN FOR OFFICE OR BE ON COMMITTEES. SOME OF US HAVE OBLIGATIONS IN LIFE THAT PROHIBIT PARTICIPATION. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

4. AND FINALLY, GREG TYUS BEING DESERVED OF THE APPOINTMENT BASED SOLELY ON THE TIME AND EFFORT TO RUN? THAT WOULD MEAN EVERYONE WHO RUNS DESERVES A POSITION. NOPE, I AM NOT EXCITED ABOUT TYUS SITTING BEHIND THAT DESK AGAIN FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME. WE THE PEOPLE GET NO NEW PERSPECTIVES, NO MEASUREABLE PROGRESS NOR NO NEW THOUGHTS ON DIRECTION WITH THE SAME PEOPLE RUNNING THE SHIP. SAME GOES FOR COUNCIL. JMO]]> Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:19:22 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40652&title=mcclure-resignation#40652 McClure Resignation : Vet,I think that you're right... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40651&title=mcclure-resignation#40651 Author: processor
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Posted: Dec 18 2013 at 9:45am

Vet,
I think that you're right that it's typically the same people who pop up on all the committees. However, I believe that this is because there is only a core group of people who are willing to sacrifice their personal time to serve on these boards and committees. To solve this more people need to get involved and spend their time on this work. I agree with Ms. Andrew that Greg Tyus was deserving of the appointment for no other reason than he spent the time and effort running for the position.]]> Wed, 18 Dec 2013 09:45:18 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40651&title=mcclure-resignation#40651 McClure Resignation : "The Rev. Gregory Tyus, who... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40647&title=mcclure-resignation#40647 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Dec 17 2013 at 3:45pm

"The Rev. Gregory Tyus, who didn’t retain his seat on the Middletown school board in November’s election, was appointed to the board at Tuesday night’s meeting"

Let's see, an earlier post from Ms. Andrew..... something to the effect....

Vet, there is no conspiracy thing/ no inner circle in the schools. It's all in your mind.

HMMM. SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME OLD RECYCLED "INNER CIRCLE" PERSON TO ME. NO NEED TO RUN. JUST WAIT FOR THE INVITATION. WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH TYUS. DID YOU LOOK BEYOND TYUS, WHO, BY THE WAY, IS MAKING A CAREER OUT OF THIS.

THERE IS A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY WHO SEEM TO "MAKE THE ROUNDS" GOING FROM COMMITTEE TO COMMITTEE AND OFFICE SEAT TO OFFICE SEAT. FAMILIAR FACES TRAVELING IN SPECIAL CIRCLES YOU MIGHT SAY.

]]> Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:45:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40647&title=mcclure-resignation#40647 McClure Resignation : OMFG! this is bullcrap at it's... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40645&title=mcclure-resignation#40645 Author: Bocephus
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Posted: Dec 17 2013 at 2:51pm

OMFG! this is bullcrap at it's finest. Just when we thought we got rid of this guy he keeps popping up is this because no one else wanted the job or the ones that chose him just think he is great ?]]> Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:51:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40645&title=mcclure-resignation#40645 McClure Resignation : MJ:Tyus to fill seat on Middletown... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40644&title=mcclure-resignation#40644 Author: 409
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Posted: Dec 17 2013 at 1:11pm

MJ:
Tyus to fill seat on Middletown school board
By Rick McCrabb

Staff Writer
MIDDLETOWN —
The Rev. Gregory Tyus, who didn’t retain his seat on the Middletown school board in November’s election, was appointed to the board at Tuesday night’s meeting.

Dr. Mark McClure, who defeated incumbent Tyus in the election, turned in his resignation weeks before he was scheduled to be sworn in as the board’s newest member. McClure said he resigned because his medical practice was going to take up too much of his time.

In the letter McClure sent to the school board and the Butler County Board of Elections, he said after meeting with Superintendent Sam Ison and Treasurer Kelley Thorpe to discuss the needs for the next couple years, he realized the impact the Affordable Care Act will have on his medical practice.

He wrote that the increased number of patients and the additional documentation required by Medicare will “greatly limit” his time to perform the duties of an “effective board member.”
]]> Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:11:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40644&title=mcclure-resignation#40644 McClure Resignation : not disagreeing with a lot of... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40506&title=mcclure-resignation#40506 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 11:55am

not disagreeing with a lot of what you say, Vet...
MAYBE you would be the only person to apply for the job
You would only ne one vote, but your message would reach aa different group of citizens(possible voters), and WOULD make a difference

Plus--you might find a lot to like within the current board, admin and faculty............

Everyone might change their tune to some degree......]]> Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:55:49 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40506&title=mcclure-resignation#40506 McClure Resignation : MS. ANDREW:"Vet, the conspiracy... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5560&PID=40505&title=mcclure-resignation#40505 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Nov 28 2013 at 10:50am

MS. ANDREW:
"Vet, the conspiracy exists only in your mind. There is no "inner circle" of "school people.""

ACTUALLY, I HAVE BEEN OBSERVING THE MIDDLETOWN SCHOOL SYSTEM LONGER THAN YOU HAVE MS. ANDREW. LONG BEFORE YOU CAME TO TOWN. THERE WAS AN INNER CIRCLE OF CITY GOVERNMENT PEOPLE AS WELL AS ONE INVOLVING THE SCHOOLS. HAS BEEN SINCE THE 60'S. THIS TOWN IS NOTORIOUS FOR CLICKS AND "PEOPLE OF SPECIAL INTEREST CONTROLLING THINGS". A TOWN OF EXCLUSION FOR MOST. ARMCO'S BIG WIGS CONTROLLED THAT IN THOSE DAYS, JUST AS THEY CONTROLLED THE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE CITY. THEIR MONETARY INPUT GAVE THEM FREE REIGN, WITHOUT QUESTION, TO DO THESE THINGS. NOW, WITH ARMCO/AK INFLUENCE REDUCED, THE ROLE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER, OVER TIME, BY OUTSIDERS MOVING IN, ORGANIZING, AND CALLING THE SHOTS WHILE THE REST OF US LONGTIMERS SIT BACK AND ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. WE ARE AT FAULT FOR NOT RESISTING.

MS. ANDREW:
"Mark McClure was not an outsider. He served a term on the school board before, from 2004-07."

I AM AWARE THAT MCCLURE HAD BEEN ON THE BOARD IN THE PAST. I VOTED IN THAT ELECTION. HE WAS A NEWCOMER TO THE BOARD. GAVE HIM A CHANCE. I AM ALSO AWARE THAT HE WAS MORE OF THE SAME OLD SAME OLD AFTER THE SMOKE HAD CLEARED AND OFFERED NO BETTER APPROACH THAN THE TYPICAL PEOPLE THAT USUALLY SIT BEHIND THAT DESK.

YOU STATE THAT YOU HAD NEVER MET THE APPOINTEES THAT HAVE FILLED RESIGNATION SLOTS IN THE PAST. YOU DID NOT GO INTO DETAIL AS TO WHETHER THE OTHERS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD KNEW THEM AND RECOMMENDED THEY APPLY AND THEREFORE STOOD A GOOD CHANCE OF OCCUPYING A BOARD SEAT. LIKE COUNCIL, LIKE THE COMMITTEES SET UP IN THIS TOWN AND LIKE THE ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR WITHIN THE WALLS OF THE CITY BUILDING, I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJOR ACTIVITIES OF THIS CITY ARE GOVERNED BY AN INNER CIRCLE OF INFLUENCE, WITH THOSE PARTICIPANTS CONTROLLING THE DIRECTION, MONEY FLOW AND CHARACTER OF THIS CITY. OVERWHELMING INDICATIONS OVER THE YEARS TO THINK OTHERWISE.

YOUR STATEMENT SUGGESTING THAT ALL WHO SUPPORT LEVIES CARE ABOUT EDUCATION. NOT TRUE IF THAT IS WHAT YOU MEANT. SOME OF US CHOOSE NOT TO BLINDLY BELIEVE THE LEVY PROPAGANDA AND DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE MONEY FLUSHED DOWN THE DRAIN FOR NO IMPROVEMENT, BELIEVING THIS WHOLE MIDDLETOWN EDUCATION PROGRAM NEEDS TO BE RE-TOOLED.

THE SUBJECT MATTER IS NOT RUNNING FOR SCHOOL BOARD AS AN OUTSIDER. THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE STATE LAW CATERING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD BY PLACING THE RESIGNATION REPLACEMENT CHOICE IN THE HANDS OF A SELECT FEW AND TAKING THAT CHOICE OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE VOTERS. THE GENERAL VOTER POPULACE NEEDS TO BE THE ONES CONTROLLING THE SELECTION, NOT THE SCHOOL BOARD. IT ALLOWS YOU AND OTHERS TO SELECT ANYONE OF YOUR CHOOSING AND EXCLUDES THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ORIGINALLY CHARGED TO MAKE THE SELECTION.

I'M TOTALLY AWARE THAT TAXPAYER MONEY GOES TO PAY FOR YOUR SCHOOLS. 80% OF EVERYONE'S PROPERTY TAXES GOES TOWARD YOUR SCHOOLS. I JUST CRINGE KNOWING WHAT I'M GETTING FOR MY PORTION OF THE PAYMENT TOWARD YOUR SCHOOLS. IT IS NOT A GOOD DEAL IMO.....NOT THE WAY YOUR SYSTEM HAS BEEN PERFORMING THE LAST 4 DECADES. I EXPECT A BETTER RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

YOU STATE...."We can only select from people who apply."

OR, ON THE FLIP SIDE....BEHIND THE SCENES, WE CAN ENCOURAGE OUR PERSONAL SELECTEES, WHO WE KNOW WILL GO ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM, TO APPLY, MAKING IT AN EASY CHOICE, GUARANTEEING THEM A PLACE ON THE BOARD. C'MON FOLKS, WE ALL KNOW THAT NEPOTISM, FAVORITISM AND BACK ROOM ACTIVITIES OCCUR ON ALL LEVELS IN ANY ORGANIZATION FROM CITY SCHOOLS TO ALL LEVELS OF GOV. TO THE ELKS, EAGLES, MOOSE, MASONS AND ALL ORGANIZATIONS IN-BETWEEN. SURELY ONE CAN'T BE SO NAIVE. HELL, YOU NEED LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE LOCAL REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTIES AND THEIR LITTLE INTERNAL SELECTIONS. KEEPING IT ALL IN THE FAMILY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE GAME. YOU KNOW THIS MS. ANDREW.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH REGARD TO THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS MS. ANDREW. NO NEED TO REPEAT YOUR PLATFORM ON THE SUBJECTS.

SPIDER......I WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE SCHOOLS AND THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO GET THERE A DIFFERENT WAY THAN IS CURRENTLY BEING DISPLAYED BY THE SCHOOL AND CITY GOVERNMENT PEOPLE. I AM FRUSTRATED WITH THE LACK OF PROGRESS IN THE SCHOOLS AS WE CONTINUE TO PLOW MILLIONS INTO A STAGNATED PROGRAM(HOW MANY MORE YEARS WILL IT TAKE FOR PEOPLE TO FINALLY FEEL ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?)AND THE WRONG DIRECTION FOR THE CITY. ONE IS MOVING AT A SNAIL'S PACE AND THE OTHER IS TOTALLY CLUELESS AS TO THE PROPER FOCUS. JMO

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