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   <title>Middletown V. Greenville SC : Like you said artists come and...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1299">over the hill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;26&nbsp;2014 at 2:41pm<br /><br />Like you said artists come and go at PAC only so much art one can buy before you run out of walls. Nice idea but not enough support in Midd to sustain it! But you should know that by now. Stained, since they lost their chef things aren't looking so good. Someone was in ther Fri night ,only two tables with customers, can't sustain existence that way..also heard he's going to open a new RESTURANT in partnership with Putter's down on Cinn-Day road across the street from Putter's. I'm looking forward to that. The little enclave of investors in the Stained might be able to keep it running for a while but I doubt it. IMO]]>
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   <title>Middletown V. Greenville SC : Just buy some additional buildings...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1384">Justsayin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 7:10pm<br /><br />Just buy some additional buildings then give them to someone. Mulligans and Gilleland don't understand the first thing about business. I wish they would just get a one way ticket to Greenville! Don't come back. Do us all a favor!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 4:12pm<br /><br />Larry, Rick, Ann, Judy, and others:<div>&nbsp;</div><div>While in Greenville, please stop by the street maintenance department and also the fire and police units.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>You might learn the benefit of annual street funding, and using volunteers&nbsp;to offset Middletown's bloated payroll.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;. <a href="http://www.greenvillecounty.org/Public_Works/Eng.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenvillecounty.org/Public_Works/Eng.asp</a></div>]]>
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   <title>Middletown V. Greenville SC : &amp;#034;Middletown Mayor Lawrence...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 11:38am<br /><br />"Middletown Mayor Lawrence Mulligan Jr. said he envisions a trip similar to the one that was taken to Paducah, Ky., in 2008, which planted the seed to the growth of the downtown arts community."<br /><br />NOPE LARRY BABES, REALLY DIDN'T DO SQUAT AS THE "GROWTH OF THE DOWNTOWN ARTS COMMUNITY HASN'T AMOUNTED TO MUCH OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TAXPAYER FORCED PENDLETON TRAGEDY AND THE TAXPAYER MONEY-BORROWING BEAU VERRE FLEECING. THE RESTAURANTS CLOSE AS FAST AS THEY ARE BORN AND MOST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOOT TRAFFIC TO WARRANT STAYING OPEN. THIS STARTED WAY BACK DURING THE QUISNOS DAYS. <br /><br />“We need to see what works compared to our needs and get rolling on some stuff,” Mulligan said. “It’s worth exploring.”<br /><br />AND YOU SEE LAWRENCE, THAT STATEMENT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR IDEAS. "COMPARED TO OUR NEEDS"......OUR NEEDS. NOT WHAT THIS CITY NEEDS FOR THE GENERAL HEALTH TO SURVIVE......JUST YOUR DAM NEEDS. WRONG POMPOUS A-- ATTITUDE MULLIGAN. GOOD LORD, YOUR ARROGANCE IS OVERWHELMING.<br /><br />“We need to find out how they did it,” he said<br /><br />OH, NOW YOU WANT TO FIND OUT "HOW THEY DID IT" PEARCE? I THOUGHT YOU DOWNTOWN SAVIORS HAD ALL THE ANSWERS ALL THIS TIME. JUST NOW FINDING OUT  IT AIN'T WORKING ARE YA? MERCY, ARE YOU PEOPLE SLOW.<br /><br />"Calista Smith, interim director of Middletown Moving Forward, said the group needs to concentrate on economic development...."<br /><br />NO KIDDING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HUH? THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT MS. OBVIOUS. PROBLEM IS, NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT IN THIS TOWN. <br /><br />  "Once vibrant, Middletown’s downtown is dominated by empty buildings and “for lease” signs despite a significant investment by the city. The Manchester Inn, former “gem” of downtown, has been closed for more than three years and is being sold by the city."<br /><br />FIRST TRUTHFUL STATEMENT IN THE WHOLE DAM STORY. WHEN YOU TELL IT THE WAY IT REALLY IS JOURNAL, YA JUST MIGHT START GETTING SOME RESPECT FOR YOUR NEWSPAPER.<br /><br />"There have been downtown successes: the Pendleton Art Center, the Broad Street Bash, a summer concert series, the opening of Cincinnati State Middletown, BeauVerre Riordan Stained Glass Studio and new restaurants and bars."<br /><br />BROAD STREET BASH- YES. PENDLETON CENTER-OFF AND ON SUCCESS. ARTISTS COME AND GO. OPENING OF CS?- NOT REALLY. YOU HAVE 800 PARTICIPANTS AT LAST COUNT. THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS 5000 IN 5 YEARS. ALREADY CUT INTO THAT 5 YEAR TIME SPAN AND HAVEN'T REACHED 20% YET. SUCCESS OF CS- STILL TBD.....DOUBTFUL CATEGORY.<br /><br />BEAU VERRE?- CATERS TO A VERY SMALL CONTINGENT OF THE POPULATION. REALLY NO MEANINGFUL IMPACT TO MENTION IT, MUCH LESS CALL IT A SUCCESS.<br /><br />THIS IS ANOTHER BOONDOGGLE AND A JOKE AT BEST. ANOTHER "SEARCH FOR SUCCESS" AND "EMULATE SUCCESS" THEME THAT WON'T HAPPEN WHEN THEY RETURN. DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE PAST AND WON'T HAPPEN NOW. THE MIDDLETOWN CONTINGENT ISN'T SMART ENOUGH TO PULL IT OFF JUDGING BY PAST ACTIONS. BOTTOM LINE....THERE IS NO TALENT IN THE RANKS OF THE CITY OFFICIALS, MMF NOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO TACKLE A PROJECT LIKE THIS. EVERYTHING THE MIDDLETOWN DECISION-MAKERS TOUCH TURNS TO CRAP. THIS WHOLE SCENARIO IS DISGUSTING TO READ. YOU AREN'T GOING TO "REKINDLE THE MIDDLETOWN MAGIC" WITH THE CURRENT CREW RUNNING THIS CITY. CAN'T DO IT IF THEY'RE CLUELESS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AFTER ALL THIS TIME. <br /><br /> <br /><br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Middletown V. Greenville SC :   Sidenote:For 14 years Middletown...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 8:58am<br /><br />Sidenote:<div>&nbsp;</div><div>For 14 years Middletown has tried to become Lebanon.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I argue 9 out of 10 Americans know a short 5 mile drive to ebanon to see how they did it is shorter than a 800 roundtrip drive to Greenville South Carolina. Greenville's key is they are bringing corporate headquarters in to downtown. Middletown's problem is corporate headquarters are leaving downtown and Middletown at large. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Middletown will never be Greenville/ Spartanburg. Nor&nbsp;Lebanon.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I suggest you figure how to keep businesses from leaving; then focus upon how to attract them. Many times its wise to know who you are to frame what you want to become. Cosmetic surgery does have limitations.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 8:46am<br /><br />Another boondoggle trip on the heels of the Paducha trip that was a bust? My, what a waste Larry and Company.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Firstly, climate has a lot to do with it, which Middletown does not have. Greenville also has numerous corporate headquarters that lease/ own property downtown, which include Denny's restaurants, and others. The Marriott has a corporate footprint there, and they have a nice Hyatt. More importantly, they have the BMW plant which produces the z3 and e36 frame and engine (3 series). Add to that Converse College.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>So Larry, the key is attracting key large businesses, some F1000's to downtown Middletown, and a large European car maker like Mercedes to downtown Middletown. Of course, BMW left to avoid the unions.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Each passing day, I think of Laura Williams, Schiavonie, Arbruster,&nbsp;and the countless poor council members and think....this current council actually exceeds them in poor decision making and waste of funds. How Middletown residents can stomach such ignorance is beyond pale.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Maybe when they come back, Pearson will put Airbus and Mercedes on the radar screen for a tasrget inclusion downtown for its corporate headquarters. Assuredly they will take the golf clubs, don't want to waste the boondoggle and maybe even a spring break trip for the kids at home. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>By the way, did not Kaye know Greenville-Spartenburg well and tell them all this? Maybe that's why he left, they didn't like the answer interfering with their dream.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>In the Land of the Blind....you better have a smart seeing eye dog. Middletown doesn't.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <title>Middletown V. Greenville SC : The other big difference that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 8:44am<br /><br />The other big difference that our myopic leaders will likely overlook???<br /><br />Interstate highway spur I-385 dumps right into downtown Greenville, a scant four or five blocks from Greenville Commons/Hyatt Regency hotel!!!  If they tax us to our bottom dollars, they will never be able to get an interstate highway that close to downtown Middletown, yet they refuse to admit that this is a factor.<br /><br />(Interstate access is a common feature of nearly every downtown that has experienced a rebirth.)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=555">bumper</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 8:21am<br /><br />yep I read that and thought to myself?? WTH!! city leaders and these MMF group really that damn stupid???  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 8:16am<br /><br /><div ="cmTimeStamp" style="margin: 0px 0px 10px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; line-height: 14.401439666748047px;">  <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0.25em 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 0.917em;">Posted: 5:00 p.m. Friday, Jan. 24, 2014</p></div><h1 ="cmLargerH1" style="outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; line-height: normal; border: 0px n&#111;ne; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 0px;"><font size="5">Middletown group hopes to learn Carolina magic</font></h1><div id="cmArticleWell" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; color: rgb68, 68, 68; clear: both; line-height: 14.401439666748047px;">  <p ="cmCredit" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">  By&nbsp;<a href="http://www.journal-news.com/staff/rick-mccrabb/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rick   McCrabb</a></p>  <p ="cmSource" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">  Staff Writer</p>  <p ="cmDateline" style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; display: inline; font-weight: bold; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">  MIDDLETOWN —&nbsp;</p>  <div ="cmArticle cmOC&#111;ntainer" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; display: inline;">    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; display: inline; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    A Middletown community improvement corporation hopes to learn the secrets     behind the successes of a city in South Carolina.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Members of Middletown Moving Forward, a partnership between government and     business leaders, are hoping to tour Greenville, S.C., over three days in     April, meet with city officials and business owners and bring back what they     learned to see if they can rekindle the Middletown magic.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Middletown Mayor Lawrence Mulligan Jr. said he envisions a trip similar to     the one that was taken to Paducah, Ky., in 2008, which planted the seed to     the growth of the downtown arts community.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    “We need to see what works compared to our needs and get rolling on some     stuff,” Mulligan said. “It’s worth exploring.”</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Rick Pearce, president of the Chamber of Commerce Serving Middletown, Monroe     and Trenton, said he hopes to “learn from what worked there and emulate     them.” He said it’s important to identify any community that’s successful if     its fingerprint is similar to Middletown’s.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    “We need to find out how they did it,” he said.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Calista Smith, interim director of Middletown Moving Forward, said the group     needs to concentrate on economic development and see how Greenville     officials “pulled it together with the resources and strategies.”</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    The retail center of the region, Greenville’s downtown district, began to     languish in the 1960s as shopping centers lured the retailers and customers     to the suburbs.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Marion Mann, senior marketing director for Greenville’s chamber of commerce,     grew up in the city, and said when she was in high school, downtown was “not     the place to go” because of limited attractions and a high crime rate. Now,     she said, the only reason to avoid downtown: the crowds.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Middletown leaders said they’d love to have that problem. When the Towne     Mall opened in the East End in 1977, it attracted major retailers, and some     say, was the beginning of the death of downtown. Now even the mall, under     new ownership and with a new name, is struggling to fill its empty retail     space.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Once vibrant, Middletown’s downtown is dominated by empty buildings and “for     lease” signs despite a significant investment by the city. The Manchester     Inn, former “gem” of downtown, has been closed for more than three years and     is being sold by the city.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    There have been downtown successes: the Pendleton Art Center, the Broad     Street Bash, a summer concert series, the opening of Cincinnati State     Middletown, BeauVerre Riordan Stained Glass Studio and new restaurants and     bars.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    But nothing like the economic development seen in Greenville.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    In the 1980s, Greenville turned to laying the foundation for its downtown     vision and providing an example of business potential to encourage business     relocation to downtown, Mann said. She said the biggest news: the opening of     the Greenville Commons/Hyatt Regency hotel.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    The city worked with consultants to develop and implement a downtown master     plan and facilitated public-private investment partnerships that resulted in     the city’s first luxury convention hotel on Main Street, Mann said.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    She said through the 1990s Greenville continued to strengthen its     public/private partnerships to create strong anchors throughout downtown.     The city redeveloped a languishing industrial area adjacent to the West End     Historic District into a thriving performing arts complex that incorporated     historically significant buildings. It then stabilized the stagnant historic     district with the transformation of an abandoned cotton warehouse into the     West End Market, a mixed-use project of shops, restaurants, and offices,     which in turn encouraged adaptive reuse of several other historic buildings     throughout downtown, she said.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    The city’s initiative to invest in its blighted urban center at a time when     such revitalization was unpopular, not only successfully encouraged private     investment, but also eventually garnered recognition from municipalities     across the United States.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    The National Trust for Historic Preservation awarded Greenville with the     Great American Main Street Award in 2003 and 2009. Since then it has been     featured in numerous publications, including Southern Living Magazine.</p>    <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 1em 0px 0.25em; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 1.167em; line-height: 1.5em;">    Mann said about 12 representatives from cities around the United States tour     Greenville yearly. On Friday, city officials from Statesboro, Ga., were     there, she said.</p></div></div>]]>
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   <title>Middletown V. Greenville SC : They didn&amp;#039;t leave the article...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5614<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;25&nbsp;2014 at 5:55am<br /><br />They didn't leave the article on the main page of the Journal-News very long.  In case you missed it, here's the link:<br />http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/middletown-group-hopes-to-learn-carolina-magic/nc2Mz/]]>
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