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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : Springboro is also missing enrollment...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1063">ktf1179</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 6:46pm<br /><br />Springboro is also missing enrollment projections. In fact they have shut down Jonathan Wright Elementary School Entirely. It is not even listed on the website.<div><br></div><div>http://www.springboro.org/SchoolsList.aspx<br><div><br></div></div>]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : why don&amp;#039;t we just call the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1299">over the hill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 11:10am<br /><br />why don't we just call the board of education or the superintendent and ask them if they realize they are in violation?]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : calling the prosecutors office...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1299">over the hill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 10:10am<br /><br />calling the prosecutors office only gets you an advocates voice mail. Try the law dept. or how about the police. ]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : TonyB, Please proceed with caution....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 9:54am<br /><br />TonyB,<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please proceed with caution. Mike Presta and I and others have been through this a number of times.<br>I recommend you take Acclaro's advice and call the city prosecutor (not city attorney).&nbsp; I will be surprised if anything is done but at least then it becomes a matter of record. I don't agree with the idea that it is not significant. We, indeed, do have people in the city and school administration who beieve they are above the law.&nbsp; Getting these types of acts on the record is important. This way you do not put yourself in jeopardy. Good luck.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pn<br>]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : TonyB:That&amp;#039;s an interesting...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 9:29am<br /><br /><font size="2">TonyB:<br /><br />That's an interesting question!!!  If you want to try, here would be my suggestions:<br /><br />1.  Stick with signs that are in the public right-of-way.  Do NOT remove any signs on private property (or even public property such as school yards) that are outside the public right-of-way.  You COULD be charged with trespassing, or even more serious offenses.<br /><br />2.  Carefully remove the signs.  If you damage them, you COULD be charged under other ordinances.<br /><br />3.  After removing a sign, leave it where it is.  If you take it with you, you COULD be charged with some sort of theft offense.<br /><br />4.  Be careful where you stop your car (if you are driving).  You COULD be cited for a number of traffic offenses such as illegal parking, impeding traffic, etc. <br /><br />Other than that, you might be okay.  It might be considered similar to making a citizen's arrest.  At worst, I would think you would get off with a warning...at least the FIRST time.</font>]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : The appropriate remedy is to put...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 9:19am<br /><br />The appropriate remedy is to put a disagreeing sign of opposition besides the one in place. Of course, it is doubtful there is an organized group that has signs in opposition.<br><br>Next, you could call the cit prosecutor and determine if the ordinance is adhered. If not, you could file a complaint with the Disciplinary Board at the Ohio Supreme Court.<br><br>The tag line so ineffective, I see no harm really. Who wants to help replace a perfectly good building? On one hand, Middletown espouses the fact they treasure history and aged buildings. On the other, they want to tear it down to get their hands on some nominal state money, while soaking the tax payer with $55 Mm. Pretty ineffective. <br>]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : I have a question about the signs....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=755">TonyB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 8:18am<br /><br />I have a question about the signs. Would it be legal for citizens to enfore the sign ordinance? In other words, could I take down illegal signs based on the ordinance?]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : Campaign signs fall under the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;24&nbsp;2014 at 12:01am<br /><br /><font size="2">Campaign signs fall under the City of Middletown's sign ordinance (which Iron Man cited above).  It will do no good to contact the County Board of Elections or the State, as they have no authority to enforce Middletown's City Ordinances.  It is up to the City of Middletown to enforce their own ordinances.<br /><br />Also, the public "right-of-way" generally ends at the outside of the sidewalk.  Signs on the "street side" of the sidewalk would be illegal...signs on the other side of the sidewalk would be legal.  (No signs would be legal more than 31 days before the election ore more than 7 days after the election.<br /><br />Getting the City to enforce the ordinance is another story.  In the past, the City has zealously removed illegally-placed signs for candidates who they opposed while leaving the illegal signs of favored candidates in the same locations.  Since the City Manager is in favor of the levy, and all council members have always favored all tax levies, I doubt that any of the illegally placed levy signs will be removed.</font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;23&nbsp;2014 at 11:21pm<br /><br />Declining MCSD enrollment-&nbsp; yet new buildings?<br><br>Hmmm.....<br><br><h1 ="cmLargerH1">$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts</h1><h2 ="cmLargerH2">The districts built the schools based on poor enrollment projections.</h2><div ="cmRelated"><br><span ="sprite sharing ic&#111;nIncrease">&nbsp;</span><div ="cmModule"><div ="cmMedia"><div ="cmRelated"><a href="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/04/28/09/5d/ddn081411schoolsout_997267a.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/188/img/photos/2012/04/28/09/5d/ddn081411schoolsout_997267a.jpg" height="72" width="188" border="0" alt="$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts photo" title="$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts" /></a></div><div ="cmCapti&#111;n">Chester Ray Perkins, 53, of Trotwood takes issue with the Trotwood-Madison School District’s closing of two relatively new elementary schools: Madison Park (shown) and Westbrooke Village. Perkins thinks the district should have known enrollment would decline and the schools wouldn’t have been built.</div></div></div><div ="cmModule"><div ="cmMedia"><div ="cmElementEnlarge"><a href="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/04/28/c0/67/ddn081411schoolsout_997615a.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">View Larger</a><span ="sprite sharing ic&#111;nIncrease">&nbsp;</span></div><div ="cmRelated"><a href="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/04/28/c0/67/ddn081411schoolsout_997615a.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/188/img/photos/2012/04/28/c0/67/ddn081411schoolsout_997615a.jpg" height="101" width="188" border="0" alt="$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts photo" title="$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts" /></a></div><div ="cmCapti&#111;n">$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts</div></div></div><div ="cmModule"><div ="cmMedia"><div ="cmElementEnlarge"><a href="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/04/28/21/e5/ddn081411schoolsout_997364a.JPG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">View Larger</a><span ="sprite sharing ic&#111;nIncrease">&nbsp;</span></div><div ="cmRelated"><a href="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2012/04/28/21/e5/ddn081411schoolsout_997364a.JPG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/188/img/photos/2012/04/28/21/e5/ddn081411schoolsout_997364a.JPG" height="125" width="188" border="0" alt="$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts photo" title="$40M worth of new schools closed in 3 districts" /></a></div><div ="cmCapti&#111;n">Westbrooke Village</div></div></div></div><br>About $40 million worth of new schools in three area districts have been taken   out of service because projections used to build the facilities grossly   miscalculated the student enrollments the districts would have, a Dayton   Daily News investigation has found.<div ="cmArticle cmOC&#111;ntainer"><p>The investigation focused on 28 area school districts that have received money   from the Ohio School Facilities Commission in the last 13 years to build or   renovate schools. The money was part of a huge investment the state made in   school buildings in order to meet a court-ordered mandate to make education   opportunity and facilities more equal throughout the state.</p><p>That added up to more than $17 billion in new school buildings statewide.</p><p>The investigation, though, found enrollment projections used to forecast how   many buildings were needed proved overly optimistic in three local   districts. Trotwood-Madison is closing two elementary schools this fall. The   Springfield City School District and Tecumseh Local schools are repurposing   a new school building each because they didn’t have the students to fill   them. All four buildings opened in 2005 or 2006 and closed in the last two   years.</p><p>Trotwood resident Chester Ray Perkins, 53, blames district officials for the   two empty schools. One, Madison Park Elementary, is in his neighborhood.</p><p>“They never should have been built. They knew the population of Trotwood was   falling before they built those schools,” he said. “Taxpayers should be   going nuts over that deal.”</p><p><b>Multimillion dollar projects</b></p><p>The state of Ohio funded about 80 percent of Springfield’s $195 million   project to build 16 new schools, according to OSFC data. It paid 77 percent   of Tecumseh’s $93 million, six-building project and $50.3 million of   Trotwood’s $90 million, five-building project.</p><p>The rest of the projects were funded by local bond issues passed by voters.</p><p>Trotwood-Madison City Schools Superintendent Rexann Wagner said she   recommended closing Madison Park and Westbrooke Village elementary schools   because of the district’s financial woes and the loss of nearly one-fourth   of its students. The schools opened five years ago with a price tag of about   $10 million each.</p><p>Springfield’s Clark Middle School was closed and a portion of the building has   been repurposed as offices for administrators and some preschool activities.   Tecumseh Superintendent Jim Gay said there are preschool and Head Start   activities are also planned at the Medway Elementary School building, which   closed as an elementary school in June.</p><p>Trotwood’s decision to close its schools stem from not receiving any increased   operating revenue since 1996 and losing about 1,000 students in the past   decade, Wagner said.</p><p>“The board understood that bold action had to be taken,” she said of the   school board’s 4-1 vote in January to shutter the schools.</p><p>The district worked closely with OSFC in 2001-02 by providing historical   enrollment data to the commission, which used a formula to project future   enrollment. At the time, the district had five elementary schools. OSFC   recommended it build two new elementary schools plus an early learning   center for preschool to first grade students.</p><p>Wagner said no one could have predicted the economic downturn or dramatic   enrollment drop.</p><p>“That’s nobody’s fault,” she said. “I’d never want to think I was saying the   (OSFC) did not do an accurate job because they did. Nobody could have   foreseen what happened economically in the nation and in Trotwood. The   impact was huge.”</p><p>The district, she noted, is dotted with foreclosed homes.</p><p><b>Enrollment projections off</b></p><p>The original enrollment projections for Springfield, Trotwood and Tecumseh   school districts were done by DeJong-Healy, a private contractor based in   Dublin and hired by the Ohio School Facilities Commission to provide   enrollment forecasts. DeJong-Healy is currently the sole consultant for OSFC   projections.</p><p>DeJong-Healy predicted Tecumseh’s enrollment would increase from 3,597 in the   2003-04 school year to nearly 4,000 by 2014, according to OSFC data. The   district’s enrollment has gone the other way — to 3,147 last year, according   to the Ohio Department of Education.</p><p>The consultant predicted Springfield’s enrollment would decline from 9,953 in   2000-01 to 9,436 by the 2009-10 school year. Springfield’s actual enrollment   was 7,286 last year.</p><p>Trotwood-Madison’s enrollment was predicted to decline to 3,021 by the 2009-10   school year by DeJong-Healy. The district had 2,740 students instead.</p><p>DeJong-Healy officials declined to comment for this story and referred all   questions to the OSFC.</p><p>Bill Prenosil, planning director for the OSFC, said he’s “not surprised” some   districts have had to close new buildings because, at least early on, the   OSFC was still figuring out how to accurately predict enrollment. He said   there are just as many school districts, if not more, that were underbuilt   and “busting at the seams.”</p><p>“Enrollment projection is not an exact science,” he said. “This program (state   legislators) put together and we immediately had to go out and do something.   They didn’t want us to wait 10 years or even five years and perfect a   system. We know we are going to have some of those early districts that are   going to be problems.”</p><p>Wagner said closing the schools was the “prudent” thing to do because it will   save operating dollars and allowed the district to consolidate staffing in   the three remaining schools. In all, 41 positions were cut last school year,   including 27 teaching and 14 classified jobs. She said the resulting savings   from closing the schools is about $3 million, which has enabled the school   board to seek a smaller levy in November.</p><p>“Passing the levy in November is very necessary to keep the three buildings we   have operating,” Wagner said.</p><p>Trotwood resident Perkins is angry that the district will be going to the   voters with the 4-mill operating levy, which would generate $861,000   annually. It is nearly half the size of the 7.5-mill levy that was narrowly   defeated in May. He said he plans to vote against it.</p><p>“It’s wasted money to begin with,” he said, referring to the closed schools.   “Now they’re saying they want more money because they got no money.”</p><p>State officials say the drop in enrollment can be attributed to three factors:   the state’s voucher program that allows students in underachieving schools   to attend higher-achieving ones, an increase in charter schools and the   economic downturn.</p><p><b>Residents upset by closures</b></p><p>Susan Cook, whose four daughters, ages 6, 10, 14 and 17, attend   Trotwood-Madison schools, lives on the same street as Westbrooke Village   Elementary. It pains her to see the neighborhood school closed.</p><p>“They’re brand new schools. Now they are going to sit empty and hopefully not   get vandalized,” she said. “Hopefully, they will reopen someday.” The   closure has led to a shuffling of her children and other students, who on   Monday will begin attending the Union Road campus where the high school,   early learning center and elementary school are located.</p><p>Now, all district second-graders will go to the early learning center. The   middle school has been turned into the elementary school for grades three to   six, and seventh- and eighth-graders will be moving into the high school.</p><p>Cook, 41, who graduated from Trotwood-Madison High School in 1988, remembered   the excitement about the district getting 66 percent of the construction   cost for its new schools paid for by the state. She voted for the $35   million bond issue needed to generate the additional 34 percent local share   of the project.</p><p>Passage of Trotwood’s November levy would not result in reopening the schools,   Wagner said, and failure would not result in the closure of more buildings.</p><p>Wagner said the district hopes it will be able to reopen the schools but   stresses it the decision “will strictly be enrollment driven.</p><p>“We’re very hopeful as the economy rebounds families will once again come into   Trotwood.”</p><p>Tecumseh’s decision to close Medway Elementary this year was due to an   unanticipated drop in enrollment and numerous failed levies that left the   district with a $2.1 million deficit.</p><p>Beginning next week, students in kindergarten and first grade will attend   Donnelsville Elementary. Second and third grade will be at Park Layne   Elementary and fourth and fifth at New Carlisle Elementary. Medway, which   cost about $8 million, will be used for preschool and Head Start programs.</p><p>“It was financial,” said Gay, the Tecumseh superintendent . “We’ve had a   series of failed levies and we’ve had to make reductions in order to avoid   any deficit... By using that approach we were able to save sign dollars in   terms of staffing.”</p><p>Springfield City Schools was discussing closing two new elementary or one   middle school as construction crews were putting the finishing touches on   its $64 million high school that opened in 2009.</p><p>The recommendation came from the state’s Financial Planning and Supervision   Commission after the district was placed in fiscal emergency by the state   auditor’s office.</p><p>Board members opted instead to change all elementaries to K-6 and close Clark   Middle School.</p><p>“By realigning facilities ...we were able to reduce our district’s operating   costs by $500,000 to $700,000 per year,” said Kim Fish, communications   consultant for Springfield City Schools.</p><p>Clark was built to serve 527 students based on enrollment projections at a   cost of about $10 million. There were about 300 students in the building   when it closed, Fish said.</p><p>The district has combined its preschool programs into Clark, which hosts 429   kids throughout the year.</p><p>“In Springfield, preschool is a critical part of our whole education program,”   said Superintendent David Estrop.</p><p>The closing of Clark remains a sore point for some in the neighborhood. Rachel   Sumpter has two children in the district and was vice president of Clark’s   booster organization when it closed.</p><p>“They made a mistake closing the school,” she said.</p><p>Sumpter believes some of the elementary schools are overcrowded after sixth   graders were moved back to the elementary building to accommodate the   closing of Clark and that preschoolers would be better suited in their   neighborhood building where they can get familiar with the school before   kindergarten.</p><p><b>OSFC taking hard-line stance</b></p><p>OSFC officials said they have become more conservative in their enrollment   projections to prevent scenarios like the ones in Springfield and Trotwood.</p><p>The OSFC, funded primarily with state-issued bonds, still has marching orders   to provide all 611 school districts and vocational schools in the state the   opportunity to build new schools with state assistance.</p><p>DeJong-Healy has a two-year, $500,000 contract with the state with an option   for renewal in 2012 to continue as the state’s sole projections consultant.</p><p>Prenosil said the commission has taken a harder stance with districts that are   next in line for school construction assistance and promise to improve and   attract new students.</p><p>“It makes some districts angry when we project their enrollment to decline and   they say, ‘You are planning us for failure, we are trying to improve it,’ ”   Prenosil said. “It makes us look like bad guys and they are not happy. But   we are doing better (with the projections) and (districts) are starting to   realize we know a little more than what they think we do.”</p><p>As new projects arise, Prenosil said, districts will have to provide   irrefutable evidence to change the OSFC’s enrollment projections.</p><p>“The fact is Ohio is losing children and districts are losing kids,” he said.   “We are trying to hit the mark and, especially in this economy, we’ve   learned we have to be conservative about the projections because the last   thing we want to do is waste money.”</p></div><hr><h3>New schools by the numbers</h3><p>314: School districts and joint vocational schools that have received money to   renovate or build new buildings since the Ohio School Facilities Commission   started in 1997. There are 611 school districts (not counting vocational   schools) in the state.</p><p>1,043: New or renovated buildings completed or in the process of being built   funded partly with OSFC money.</p><p>$10.4 million: Average state subsidy for new or renovated school buildings   under OSFC program</p><p>$16.4 million: Average cost for renovated or new buildings, including local   money</p><p>$2 billion: Money spent to date in the Dayton area’s 28 school districts to   build or renovate schools under the OSFC program</p><p>$10.9 billion: State’s cost to build or renovate 1,043 buildings in 314 school   districts and joint vocational schools</p><p>Source: Ohio School Facilities Commission</p><p>--------------------</p><h3>What is the OSFC?</h3><p>The Ohio School Facilities Commission was created by the legislature in 1997   in response to a state Supreme Court decision that the state’s system for   funding building maintenance was unconstitutional and caused a negative   impact on poorer districts.</p><p>The OSFC handles the oversight of the building projects and awards assistance   based on a district’s financial need.</p><p>Legislators appropriated about $300 million in construction aid to school   districts. In 1999 then Gov. Bob Taft switched funding for the program,   using $10.2 billion Ohio received from a lawsuit settlement with the   country’s four largest tobacco companies over their marketing practices.   Ohio now issues bonds to fund the program.</p><p>The state projected then it would cost about $23 billion over 12 years to   rebuild Ohio’s schools. Ohio has spent nearly $11 billion since 1997 to   rebuild schools in a little less than half of the state’s 611 districts.</p><br>]]>
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   <title>Sign Ordinance Violations : Nice collection of pics Iron Man....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5658<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;23&nbsp;2014 at 7:55pm<br /><br />Nice collection of pics Iron Man. Send 'em in a E-Mail with a few descriptors to the Butler County Board of Elections and to the state dept handling election law perhaps? ......or won't they cite Middletown for violating it's own ordinance? ]]>
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