Middletown Forum : AGENDA 4-15-2014 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : AGENDA 4-15-2014 Tue, 06 Oct 2026 06:52:05 +0000 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:49:16 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5679 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ AGENDA 4-15-2014 : Is this social club still Edward... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41906&title=agenda-4152014#41906 Author: blue7
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 17 2014 at 3:49pm

Is this social club still Edward Bros Hall? Wasn't there a shooting in that club a couple years ago? I wonder if this is the beginning process of trying to get them out. I think it's a byob kind of place.

Not that it matters to the big picture, or to the Historic People. ]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:49:16 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41906&title=agenda-4152014#41906 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : Included in this deal: 1. The... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41887&title=agenda-4152014#41887 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 17 2014 at 8:18am

Included in this deal:

1.  The City shall cause, at its sole expense, the Hotel and Sonshinebuilding(s) to be listed on the historic register

2.  The City shall commit an amount not toexceed Twenty Five ThousandDollars ($25,000.00) for the redevelopment ofthe street-scape surrounding the Hotel to match the way it was in the 1920s.

Mike
Several times over the past few years City Hall has complainedabout the sea of pavers that surround their building and they continue allthe way over to the Manchester Inn and end at Manchester Ave.
Since the current street-scape of these two buildings are tied together by all these pavers, and CityHall wants a new design for their property, they have decided to foot thelandscaping bill for the Manchester Inn in 2017
I’m sure the plans are already on the drawing board for the new look of CityHall.


]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:18:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41887&title=agenda-4152014#41887 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : swohio75 wrote: Mike_Presta... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41886&title=agenda-4152014#41886 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 17 2014 at 2:54am

Originally posted by swohio75 swohio75 wrote:

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

That kangaroo court known as the Middletown Historic Commission is hassling the owners of the former Knights of Columbus building on First Avenue, trying to force them to spend a fortune to "restore" their property.  (You can read about this in the workbook for last night's council meeting.)


This is a bit of a distortion Mike. The owners constructed a recent addition WITHOUT zoning or building permits.  It has nothing to do with "restoring" their property but the appropriateness of the addition and use of materials of the addition.

Not a distortion at all!!!!

If it is a zoning or a building code issue, what in the H...E...Double Hockey Sticks business is it of that da__ kangaroo court known as the Historic commissions????????

Why doesn't the appropriate department handle it, just as they would any other time?????

And even if you are correct  ( the odds of which are astronomical against), that still doesn't address why the Historic commission doesn't haul the Board of Education in for similar violations on on the VERY SAME DA** CITY BLOCK!!!!!

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 02:54:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41886&title=agenda-4152014#41886 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : swohio75 wrote: Mike_Presta... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41885&title=agenda-4152014#41885 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 17 2014 at 2:22am

Originally posted by swohio75 swohio75 wrote:

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

MIDDLETOWN CITY COUNCIL AGENDA
TUESDAY, April 15, 2014

5. Ordinance No. O2014-21, an ordinance authorizing a development agreement with
Manchester LP and declaring an emergency.

This ordinance passed with absolutely no questions asked by members of council!!!

Bearing in mind that the City of Middletown is projecting deficit spending as far as can be seen into the future, and we are constantly being told that no money is available for anything--not even police or fire personnel--let alone road paving or the like, how can council pass this without asking where the money is coming from to meet the City's obligations under this deal???

Included in this deal:

1.  The City shall cause, at its sole expense, the Hotel and Sonshine building(s) to be listed on the historic register

How can this council approve deals like this and never ask where the money is coming from???


I believe the staff report answers this question:

In preparation for this, the City engaged Hardlines Design to complete a registration form to place the Manchester Hotel on the National Register of Historic Places. This was completed in time for the March 31 deadline. The city obtained a Pipeline grant from the Ohio Preservation Office to help fund the application work. Hardlines also submitted a Preliminary Questionnaire to the Ohio Historic Preservation office for the Sonshine building, which is the first step to submitting for nomination to the register.
No, it doesn't answer the questions!!!

You state that:  "The City engaged Hardlines Designs" to assist.  Where did the money come from to pay Hardlines Designs???  

You state that "Hardlines also submitted ...the first step" etc, etc.

Are you trying to say that Hardlines did this out of the goodness of their hearts???

I repeat:  WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM??? 

And you didn't address where the money was coming from to restore "the streetscape to its 1922 state", which could be in excess of $25,000!!!

So what say ye????
]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 02:22:17 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41885&title=agenda-4152014#41885 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : Who are the people on the commission... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41881&title=agenda-4152014#41881 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 16 2014 at 11:24pm

Who are the people on the commission making these determinations. Urban Core Commission ? ]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 23:24:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41881&title=agenda-4152014#41881 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41878&title=agenda-4152014#41878 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 16 2014 at 10:51pm

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:51:54 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41878&title=agenda-4152014#41878 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : beat me to it, Ms.V...One look... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41873&title=agenda-4152014#41873 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 16 2014 at 5:54pm

beat me to it, Ms.V...
One look at the structure which used to be our former library should end this whole process. Then factor in the old high school, the Rose building, the Studio/hobby house area complex, the burned-out factory on the right as you enter town from the W Midd bridge, the Ligon building, the former Ward's building(adjacent), the recently sold historical society site, etc.....admin might want to address those issues asap

If current and/or prior owners of these and many other properties(including the Colonial(Sorg) Theater and Sorg Mansion) had bothered to make ANY attempt towards upkeep and keeping them serviceable, the area would look seriously better. To let these structures fall apart, then claim"historical significance" only in order to have someone else(taxpayers) pay for their negligence is hard for me to ignore.

Leave the K of C guy alone.....]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 17:54:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41873&title=agenda-4152014#41873 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : Hmmm…did Kohler move the Urban... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41871&title=agenda-4152014#41871 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 16 2014 at 4:59pm

Hmmm…did Kohler move the Urban Core line again?
I was told that the Urban Core line applied only to the north side of FirstAvenue
because my little historic vault, located in the Middletown Cemetery is on the
south side of First Avenue therefore it did not qualify for any of the special
downtown funds and or matching grant money.


]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:59:10 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41871&title=agenda-4152014#41871 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : Dear Historic Commission I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41869&title=agenda-4152014#41869 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 16 2014 at 4:15pm

Dear HistoricCommission

I believe you have made a mistake or have been given the wrong address.

The truly “historic building” that you must be looking for and need to beconcerned about is on the other corner and was formally known as the MiddletownPublic Library but maybe you missed it as you were driving up First Avenue.

It is the very large stone building with boarded up or broken windows, roofwith very large hole that is getting ready to collapse, with doors that havebeen kicked in and broken light fixtures out front.

However now that you have the correct location and the description of the buildingI’m sure you will be able to find it on your next trip to the area.

I do not believe that the current condition of this building meet any of your veryhigh standards for the Urban Core or the local building codes but I sure that aftera closer inspection of this property by your group they will be able to determineif my concerns are valid.

I’m sure you will be pleased to know that this property does meet all the requiredqualification to be placed on the National Register of Historic Places unlike manyother buildings in the Urban Core.


]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:15:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41869&title=agenda-4152014#41869 AGENDA 4-15-2014 : VV: you have ,again, hit the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41867&title=agenda-4152014#41867 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5679
Posted: Apr 16 2014 at 3:24pm

VV: you have ,again, hit the nail on the head. If Kohler doesn't know what was there then how is he going to know what is "appropriate". This is more "posturing" by Kohler. He he throws out a lot of mumbo, jumbo he looks like he knows what he talking about. NOT!   If you can't convince em,confuss em.]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:24:27 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5679&PID=41867&title=agenda-4152014#41867