Middletown Forum : AGENDA 7-01-2014 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : AGENDA 7-01-2014 Tue, 06 Oct 2026 14:58:54 +0000 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 17:37:52 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5787 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ AGENDA 7-01-2014 : Jeff Faulkner was not pissing... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43242&title=agenda-7012014#43242 Author: SEEKING THE TRUTH
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 5:37pm

Jeff Faulkner was not pissing and moaning about the 14.5 acre track on germantown road that was split off of the 57 acre track by the application of the new owners of the trailer park. FACT 1. In that 2013 planning commission application Chris Barry "one  of the owners" applies for a zoning  permit to reduce the number of pads located on the 57 acre track from 306 to 132 and to be clear that address of the 57 acre lot is 2410 Carmody blvd which is what is listed on all of the Notices that Marty Kholer sent out to the surrounding property owners. FACT 2. The map that the owners presented to Marty Kholer is stamped with Riverside Village 2410 Carmody Blvd. Note: The map that Marty Kholer is using to show what is to be zoned I1 after the split was created by Marty and per the application is incorrect for the fact that he is including the Plaza lot located at 2400 Carmody Blvd and that is not what was on the application from the owners to rezone and there was never notice that that separate parcel 2400 Carmody was going to be rezoned. So that being said Mr Jeff Faulkner who was present at all of the meetings never heard one time the address of 2400 Carmody Blvd being mention and purchased the parcel with 1.9 acres at 2400 Carmody that should be zoned still I1p and the 14.5 acre parcel that is Zoned I1 that is what these properties should be but no no no no Marty Kholer and Doug Adkins are not letting him keep the I1p zoning on the 2400 lot plaza they have both stated that the 2400 Carmody Blvd "PLAZA" was involved in the rezoning at last nights meeting but how can this be again I have seen all the paperwork on this matter nothing list that address and I believe Joanne stopped the meeting in 2013 to clarify what was trying to be accomplished and the owner looked at the map on the wall and went on about the reduction of lots and playgrounds that is exactly what was on his application nothing about the 2400 Carmody Blvd. People  watch the video http://vimeo.com/channels/planningcommission/68378364 June 2013 TVMIDDLETOWN. All he wants is MARTY and Doug to state that the 2400 Carmody Blvd lot is I1P because that is his correcting zoning and Marty is telling him it is I1 that is why he asked for a rezoning to C2 but they want him to be all I1. So you go do your homework and come back and let me know what they said it was zoned and watch the meeting last night I1 or I1p and tell me if you would be pissing and moaning.]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 17:37:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43242&title=agenda-7012014#43242 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : spiderjohn wrote:Can't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43240&title=agenda-7012014#43240 Author: swohio75
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 3:56pm

Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

Can't disagree with what u say, SWO75--very logical
I get weary of city admin long-term coveting property that they don't own and have any real plan to re-develop. Hey--look at the messes created with their current holdings in the former downtown area that were promised to be demoed a decade ago + the acquisitions since(Ligon--M Ward). They are on the forefront of blight ownership and need to clean up their own act imo. Marty needs to turn his attention to these structures instead of other property owners imo.



They aren't coveting property - just setting appropriate long-term land use patterns. 

Unless Jeff can bring to the table a project has secured, the city is correct to leave zoning as is.  It's always been I-1---it just had an overlay, which likely was inappropriate to begin with.

His "I picked up the phone and called Speedway/UDF" comments are laughable.  Name me one commercial project with a regional/national tenant that Jeff has successfully been involved in and then come talk to me.

]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:56:16 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43240&title=agenda-7012014#43240 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : I think if the truth be know,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43239&title=agenda-7012014#43239 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 3:36pm

I think if the truth be know, they want that land to develop themselves. They had plans to develop the Aeronca land but spent the the money on Orman clean up. So they can't do any thing with Aeronca land until they fine more money.(the CDBG money may disappear). So they certainly don't want someone else developing the area before they get their hands one it. IMO]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:36:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43239&title=agenda-7012014#43239 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : Can't disagree with what... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43237&title=agenda-7012014#43237 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 1:05pm

Can't disagree with what u say, SWO75--very logical
I get weary of city admin long-term coveting property that they don't own and have any real plan to re-develop. Hey--look at the messes created with their current holdings in the former downtown area that were promised to be demoed a decade ago + the acquisitions since(Ligon--M Ward). They are on the forefront of blight ownership and need to clean up their own act imo. Marty needs to turn his attention to these structures instead of other property owners imo.



]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 13:05:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43237&title=agenda-7012014#43237 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : spiderjohn wrote:Maybe the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43236&title=agenda-7012014#43236 Author: swohio75
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 11:46am

Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

Maybe the city should purchase the property(and the trailer park) if it is in their current plans, instead of allowing Mr.Faulkner to buy it.
Does the city REALLY have a timeframe plan to use the property?

I believe that Mr.Faulkner owns the retail/service strip directly across, so why shouldn't he be afforded the opportunity to use his recent purchase in the same manner? Is this somewhat vindictive because he is a large Section 8 landlord? Hey--city admin made all of his direction possible, so why punish him for trying to provide for residents(also of his units) in the immediate area?


My guess development will occur based on market demands.  I have no idea what kind of lead generation the ED has done surrounding this property.  But light industrial that can leverage the airport makes most sense.

They city's original vision was to clear out the entire area for redevelopment.  However, I believe the new owners have made a good faith effort to clean up and rehabilitate the property. 

If Jeff wants to rehabilitate, my guess the the city won't stand in his way.  But fact remains the area is saturated with gas stations and vacant commercial spaces so I question the demand for additional retail in the area.

Do these residents really need additional services or decent paying jobs the land good provide with its current zoning.

The fact remains Jeff KNEW how the land is zoned and what is permitted with that zoning classification.    
]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:46:04 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43236&title=agenda-7012014#43236 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : Vivian Moon wrote:QUESTION:... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43235&title=agenda-7012014#43235 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 11:36am

Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

QUESTION: Isn't this the same land where the AVALON DAIRY was located about 65 years ago?
I remember going on a school field trip and eating ice cream at the plant.
In fact I own one of the old milk bottles from this dairy


Vivian....I believe the Avalon Dairy was in the area almost across from Frisch's and down from the building that looked like it was a Ponderosa at one time (T-shirt printing/clothes store the last I saw it) It sat back off the road as I remember. Back in the early 50's my parents lived on Winona Dr, around the corner, and took me to the Dairy for the best homemade ice cream in the world. There also was a small walk-up ice cream setup on the corner of Wilbraham and Rt 4 by the gas station (Exxon?) too. ]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:36:48 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43235&title=agenda-7012014#43235 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : Vivian Moon wrote:QUESTION:... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43234&title=agenda-7012014#43234 Author: swohio75
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 11:30am

Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

QUESTION: Isn't this the same land where the AVALON DAIRY was located about 65 years ago?
I remember going on a school field trip and eating ice cream at the plant.
In fact I own one of the old milk bottles from this dairy


Avalon Dairy was over by the Aeronca plant

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]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:30:54 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43234&title=agenda-7012014#43234 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : QUESTION: Isn't this the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43233&title=agenda-7012014#43233 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 11:18am

QUESTION: Isn't this the same land where the AVALON DAIRY was located about 65 years ago?
I remember going on a school field trip and eating ice cream at the plant.
In fact I own one of the old milk bottles from this dairy
]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:18:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43233&title=agenda-7012014#43233 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : Maybe the city should purchase... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43232&title=agenda-7012014#43232 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 11:01am

Maybe the city should purchase the property(and the trailer park) if it is in their current plans, instead of allowing Mr.Faulkner to buy it.
Does the city REALLY have a timeframe plan to use the property?

I believe that Mr.Faulkner owns the retail/service strip directly across, so why shouldn't he be afforded the opportunity to use his recent purchase in the same manner? Is this somewhat vindictive because he is a large Section 8 landlord? Hey--city admin made all of his direction possible, so why punish him for trying to provide for residents(also of his units) in the immediate area?]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:01:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43232&title=agenda-7012014#43232 AGENDA 7-01-2014 : I didn’t watch... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5787&PID=43225&title=agenda-7012014#43225 Author: swohio75
Subject: 5787
Posted: Jul 02 2014 at 9:41am

I didn’t watch the council meeting so I don’t know what “evidenceof a mistake” Jeff presented. 

I have watched the June 2013 planning commission meeting—youknow the one where Jeff spoke in highlyfavor of the proposal before the commission.  The one where Jeff specifically asked what uses would be permitted in I-1 citing examples which he was told would NOT be permitted.

I’ve also looked at the Zoning Map that shows the remaining trailerpark as I-1(p), the small commercial center as I-1(p), and the vacant landfronting Germantown Road as I-1.

If you watch the planning commission meeting, you will seethat the both parcels (commercial center and trailer park) were shown on thezoning map as I-1(p) with the p indicated planned development.

So according to the zoning map online, the commercial centerland retains the I-1(p) zoning. 

What Jeff is wanting is C-2 zoning for the strip center and the vacant land he purchased.  Did he present “evidence” that any of theseparcels previously had C-2 zoning?

Jeff can piss andmoan all he wants.  He purchased thevacant property knowing full well the city’s intent to redevelop the land forlight industry uses to support the area.

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