http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Middletown Area Businesses : Mall should allow CCW holders Tue, 06 Oct 2026 00:49:47 +0000 Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:03:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5931 http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44349&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44349 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 31 2014 at 4:03am

Oh and Spidejohn didn't include all the bad checks and stolen Food Stamp Card that he had to deal with...
And people just can't understand why it is so difficult for a small business owner to operate.

SpiderI would like to Thank You also for feeding me for so many years...I sure do miss your Fried Chicken and your friendly smile.]]> Wed, 31 Dec 2014 04:03:01 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44349&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44349 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44348&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44348 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 31 2014 at 1:10am

honestly I was a lucky one, acclaro
many could tell of FAR worse, and did it for a LOT less
just glad not to be involved with any type disaster that we read about so often any more

people scare me a lot more than guns, though in the wrong hand, it can be a tragic combination]]> Wed, 31 Dec 2014 01:10:50 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44348&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44348 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44347&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44347 Author: acclaro
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 31 2014 at 12:03am

I want to thank sj for his commitment to the store(s) over many years. One can only imagine what he confronted in the situations briefly described. I have a friend whom is a Regional VP of Costco and I could not believe the perishment from thieves in Costco, and members trying to take items to the point hidden shoppers disguised as members daily, when executive memberships run about 120 a year. I have been in Krogers when women have been arrested for stuffing pork chops down their jacket. I have driven down Vine Street visiting UC in Clifton, and praying I wasn't shot or hit by a stray bullet.

The city is dangerous, and high risk poker for a retailer. I'd pack it in instead of dealing with the headaches and serious risk to potential bodily harm  At some point, and soon, the risk in living in the city outweighs the benefit, if there is one.]]> Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:03:49 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44347&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44347 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44346&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44346 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 30 2014 at 1:23pm

bo and vet--was only considering robbery

of course I was barring bad people from bringing in weapons also. no one ever showed a weapon(ccw or otherwise) and I never asked. I assume many weapons were brought in to my businesses. quietly concealed--no issue--just doing what was best for business, co-workers and patrons

as for a crazy shooter coming in to kill someone/everyone?
prayed every day for it not to happen. no hostage situations ever--thank goodness. who knows how that would play out if a ccw patron became involved--could go any way

though I had a drugged suicidal employee bring a gun to work, contemplating killing his ex-wife(also co-worker) and himself. talked him into coming in to the office with me--told adjacent bookkeeper to lock door and notify police if she heard or saw anything dangerous(lol).
Talked the guy out of it, the told him that I had to terminate him. That he had to leave quietly immediately and promise to never come back + seek help and lose the weapon. In return I promised not to call police(and I didn't). Nothing worse ever came of it, thank goodness.

I could go on about robberies, weapon issues, bomb threats, arson etc.
if you all only knew.....

sometimes you have to forget about the vigilante gunslinger approach and best to be hopefully protector of the flock

jmo of course]]> Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:23:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44346&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44346 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44345&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44345 Author: bumper
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 30 2014 at 7:56am

there is many of ccw lic holders that are very deadly serious when carrying just like the man at the mall that was Concealed  when he had a gun in his face! the bad boy was not ready for what was getting ready to happen, many who carry not only do the class to get the lic we also take defensive carry classes, i will be taking another very soon with 5 of my buds, lol  really do need to stay fresh and we target shoot alot because its just fun to me also have the glock 42 380 cal sweet shooting!! it is for real when carrying and of what might happen when you walk out the door! i also walk 5 to 8 miles a day to stay in shape, the city i live in now is way more safe to do the walking i do, i have had a real big bull looking dog come a hair from ripping off my leg, i drew on it and was doing a whole lot of yelling at it to keep it away from me, with cell in other hand calling the PD, i have them on fast dial! lucky i was able to back away from it, then the owners opened their door and called their dog back, the cops came and the dog warden came and took the dog because this was not the first time these people let this dog out and came after other people, i was told i would have to let the monster head bite me before i could legally shoot the stinking thing!!   the thing is i did not expect a monster type dog to come after me that day! and it had me shaking, i was in the street with gun out trying to back up too the other side of the road with the dog charging and to get in the grass cause i had my 45 on me and thinking i could miss or shoot it  and it going thru the stinking dog and bouncing off the blacktop  and kill someone in their home so i did not fire because also common sense told me not to!!   just because i carry i sure hope to god i never have to draw on anybody or thing and have to pull that trigger!!  but if i have to i am going to try my best to come out on top!       ]]> Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:56:38 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44345&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44345 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44344&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44344 Author: Bocephus
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 30 2014 at 2:58am

Acclaro are these studies just studies you speak of or actual incidents? There seems to be several incidents lately of "untrained" citizens defending their lives against criminals quite well actually. Can any one here say that if their were armed and trained teachers and or personnel at the Sandy Hook school that December day that their would not have been lives saved? My Grandson won't start school for 3 or 4 years but if you ask me if I would like to see some armed employees (teachers, janitors, administrators etc..) that are competent with their weapons at the schools then I for one would feel at a little more at ease. I know this is an emotional issue and I understand the other view point, Its just my opinion that the only way to stop a criminal with a gun is a good guy with a gun. 

]]> Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:58:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44344&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44344 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44343&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44343 Author: acclaro
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 29 2014 at 9:24pm

Studies have shown repeatedly, unless one is a trained daily in rapid response, such as a police officer, in almost any situation where your life is on the line, you'll freeze, miss the target, and be killed.

I would never shop where a concealed weapon was allowed. Firstly, if one is put into situation where they confront an angry person, and they are angry, its easy to kill someone. I was in Birmingham Alabama a few years ago, when the woman got angry at another driver, ran her off the exit, and charged the driver. The driver carried a gun, and shot her a foot from the door. When confronted, there is a tendency to over react when armed. I used to live in PA years ago in college, and had a few state troopers tell me how many truckers killed individuals over road rage, when they'd be trailed, a mad driver ran up to truck cab. Trucker reaches back, pulls out a shotgun, kills road raged driver, and gets life for second degree murder.

Stray bullets are bad. Hate to be in a store when wild bullets go through air, hitting innocent by-standers,

That's my opinion.

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]]> Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:24:07 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44343&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44343 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44342&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44342 Author: bumper
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 29 2014 at 9:04pm

]]> Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:04:42 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44342&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44342 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44340&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44340 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 29 2014 at 3:04pm

Say the situation would have turned out differently. Say the person did not have a weapon to shoot the kid attempting to do armed robbery for shoes. Say the kid would have gotten away with it.

Isn't there a chance that the kid might have thought how easy it was to get what he wanted simply by waving a gun in someone's face, and kept repeating this many times? IMO, there needs to be a deterrent to counteract bad, sometimes life threatening behavior. The deterrent is the CC gun holder for the instant remedy at the time. Can't wait to call 911 and wait for a cop when a gun is in your face.

As in today's soft school environment, the deterrent has been removed (corporal punishment in the schools case), and the acts go unpunished. The problem student has no respect for the system and it becomes a joke to them. Same with the criminal who has no respect for law and order. Death Row and prison time are the deterrents for them. We have just added another deterrent in the form of CC.

Your comment:

"Would allowing weapons on patrons deter robberies?"

Some criminals may be intimidated by this. Others probably don't care enough about their lives, are willing to roll the dice and take the risk on a continual basis, betting the victim doesn't have a weapon.

"I have never experienced another person pulling out a weapon to confront an armed robber, and hopefully never will. Rule pretty much everywhere is to co-operate with the robber by slowly doing what the robber demands without any resistance"

Yeah, I would give the the armed robber what he wanted (the shoes) with a gun pointed in my face, then, as he left and turned his back, follow him out to the parking lot with my CC. He wouldn't be expecting that now would he? I believe that to be fair. He put my life on the line.....now it's his turn. Just something about someone holding my life in their hands, especially with a weapon, that tells me I must get even. Guess that's called being a vigilante. An actual situation would be the decider.
]]> Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:04:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44340&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44340 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44338&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44338 Author: Bocephus
Subject: 5931
Posted: Dec 29 2014 at 2:47pm

So I guess that is your option as a business owner (or former one) to only allow the criminals to possess fire arms in your store. I do find it strange for the Middletown police to be passing out the no fire arms allowed stickers though seeing how the few times my family has had to call them in the past 30 years or so that they never seem to show up and if they do its a long time.I do agree with you that its not worth any ones life to stop a robber from taking a few dollars but if said robber has other intentions and decides to start shooting then YES I would take any and all means to protect my life as well as my family's. ]]> Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:47:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5931&PID=44338&title=mall-should-allow-ccw-holders#44338