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   <title>All America City :    chmoore1 wrote:Trotwood:...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1445">Trotwood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;17&nbsp;2015 at 12:12am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by chmoore1" alt="Originally posted by chmoore1" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>chmoore1 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Trotwood: I'm confused; were you a resident of Middletown, or are you currently a resident?  The reason I ask is that you don't understand the reason for Reinartz overpass.  No one would "bat an eye" if we shut down Reinartz" except for emergency vehicles trying to cross the railroad tracks to get to the hospital (they still use Reinartz to get to Atrium), or get to a fire on the other side of the tracks.  There are many trains that still pass through Middletown.  Police use the overpass all the time to get from city hall to the other side of the tracks. All of the roads that you mention (except maybe Lefferson) are excellent ways to get around town.  Now if you were arguing about "adding" a lane to the boulevard system, that would be a different issue.  But to eliminate a lane on the streets that you mentioned (just to add a bike lane, and THEN not pave that area doesn't make sense.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;just 1chmoore.<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Sorry about not clarifying earlier.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm a current Oxford student. Grew up in a poor, redneck neighborhood in Monroe - my family was not, but our neighborhood was. "Culturally tied" to Middletown - spent a ton of my days going to the fast food places on Briel, shopping at Towne Mall, going to the laundromat off Oxford State Rd, etc. I consider Middletown to be my hometown.</div><div><br></div><div>But you would be correct if you assumed I never spent time near downtown. That is true, only really interaction with it was from looking out a car window driving down Verity.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>But to the Reinartz Blvd. point - why not just use University? It has good, if not better, access to the same area via 14th st. Also, I'm basing my points of view on the lack of demand for these roads to exist - simple economics.</div><div><br></div><div>How many people used to work at AK in 1970? How many work there now?</div><div>How many people live in parts of the city that demand these roadways? How many lived there before?</div><div><br></div><div>Why pay for what you don't need?</div><div>And why not utilize what you have in the most inexpensive and effective way possible?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm seeing a lot of bare asphalt for no good reason, and an easy way for Middletown to gain a competitive advantage over every other city in southwest Ohio for young professionals and empty nesters. Seems like a no-brainer to me.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <title>All America City :    VietVet wrote:Oxford and...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1445">Trotwood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;17&nbsp;2015 at 12:01am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br />Oxford and it's bike riding on residential streets certainly seems to work...for Oxford with it's tranquil college town atmosphere and slower traffic speed. <strong>Middletown....not so sure it's a good match to have bike riders that close to faster moving traffic here. The town's don't match in the bike riding aspect. Middletown has the bike trail along the river making it safer for the bikers.</strong><br><br>For a historical perspective, Grand Ave. use to be a two lane road in the 50's. I was living on Grand back then with the grandparents around the Dorset/Kensington St. areas. During that time, they made Grand a 4 lane road past where we lived out to the freeway and made the Armco truck route over on Roosevelt the main route to Wicoff. Grand use to be the truck route taken down to the Wicoff gate and the truck traffic was bad back then on Grand. Grand, when a two lane highway, use to go straight out to the freeway as you went past Marshall Rd. and was the only way out of town as Roosevelt and Grand never intersected as they do now. <br><br>An example of boulevard ease of travel, University Blvd. makes it much quicker to go from say....MUM to Woodside Cemetery. Following University and bearing south on University, you would turn right after the old Garfield school site to get to the cemetery. Relatively easy. Before, it would take some time to drive from these two points from the north/northeast side of town (MUM) to the south side (Woodside). The boulevard concept is widely used in cities such as Tucson as most major roads are three lanes a side with nicely done cactus and other desert vegeta<span style="line-height: 1.4;">tion with colored rocks in the median separation. I believe other western cities share this concept too.</td></tr></table></span><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">The bolded is actually an excellent reason to justify a conversion on University Blvd. The route has already been separated by a nice, grassy median. So there would already be a decent degree of separation there, making it all the more perfect for a conversion. University runs in three lanes in most spots, so I could see a case being made for some sections having two lanes of traffic in one direction and one lane of traffic in the other.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">And again, same boulevard feel with all the landscaping, etc. you mention in your last paragraph, but instead of cars going both ways, it would be cars on one side and pedestrian use on the other. Great deal of separation, nice aesthetics, and total safety for both pedestrians and motorists.&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div>]]>
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   <title>All America City : And why was the city not considered?...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=512">Factguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 11:41pm<br /><br />And why was the city not considered?]]>
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   <title>All America City : Factguy...the UHC move was decided...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=259">409</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 11:09pm<br /><br />Factguy...the UHC move was decided prior to your Jan 28 post and Middletown was not a serious contender.]]>
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   <title>All America City : One of the most significant benefits...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=512">Factguy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 10:25pm<br /><br />One of the most significant benefits to Middletown should be coming about by the end of 2015, when circular rout through Manchester will be funded by the state. This will expedite patient transfer to the Atrium significantly. The city has done studies to bring lane miles under 400, but to date, nothing conclusive has been considered, in part, because of expense, demolition if you will. We just missed the UHC move barely; they decided against Middletown and are moving to Blue Ash.&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>All America City : Trotwood: I&amp;#039;m confused; were...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1018">chmoore1</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 10:03pm<br /><br />Trotwood: I'm confused; were you a resident of Middletown, or are you currently a resident?  The reason I ask is that you don't understand the reason for Reinartz overpass.  No one would "bat an eye" if we shut down Reinartz" except for emergency vehicles trying to cross the railroad tracks to get to the hospital (they still use Reinartz to get to Atrium), or get to a fire on the other side of the tracks.  There are many trains that still pass through Middletown.  Police use the overpass all the time to get from city hall to the other side of the tracks. All of the roads that you mention (except maybe Lefferson) are excellent ways to get around town.  Now if you were arguing about "adding" a lane to the boulevard system, that would be a different issue.  But to eliminate a lane on the streets that you mentioned (just to add a bike lane, and THEN not pave that area doesn't make sense.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;just 1chmoore.<br />]]>
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   <title>All America City : That was a concept Hamilton never...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1299">over the hill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 9:46pm<br /><br />That was a concept Hamilton never could grasp.  It took them 30 years to finally put the railway OVER High St. It could have benefited Hamilton so much to have 4-lanes around the city.  Oh well at least that was one of smartest things Middletown could have ever done.]]>
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   <title>All America City : Oxford and it&amp;#039;s bike riding...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 9:18pm<br /><br />Oxford and it's bike riding on residential streets certainly seems to work...for Oxford with it's tranquil college town atmosphere and slower traffic speed. Middletown....not so sure it's a good match to have bike riders that close to faster moving traffic here. The town's don't match in the bike riding aspect. Middletown has the bike trail along the river making it safer for the bikers. <br /><br />For a historical perspective, Grand Ave. use to be a two lane road in the 50's. I was living on Grand back then with the grandparents around the Dorset/Kensington St. areas. During that time, they made Grand a 4 lane road past where we lived out to the freeway and made the Armco truck route over on Roosevelt the main route to Wicoff. Grand use to be the truck route taken down to the Wicoff gate and the truck traffic was bad back then on Grand. Grand, when a two lane highway, use to go straight out to the freeway as you went past Marshall Rd. and was the only way out of town as Roosevelt and Grand never intersected as they do now. <br /><br />An example of boulevard ease of travel, University Blvd. makes it much quicker to go from say....MUM to Woodside Cemetery. Following University and bearing south on University, you would turn right after the old Garfield school site to get to the cemetery. Relatively easy. Before, it would take some time to drive from these two points from the north/northeast side of town (MUM) to the south side (Woodside). The boulevard concept is widely used in cities such as Tucson as most major roads are three lanes a side with nicely done cactus and other desert vegetation with colored rocks in the median separation. I believe other western cities share this concept too. ]]>
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   <title>All America City :    VietVet wrote:  Trotwood...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1445">Trotwood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 8:09pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Trotwood" alt="Originally posted by Trotwood" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Trotwood wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by MIDDPROUD" alt="Originally posted by MIDDPROUD" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>MIDDPROUD wrote:</strong><br /><br /><div>We all know the roads are bad,&nbsp;<br></div></td></tr></table><br><div><br></div><div>Excellent points MIDDPROUD (as well as MiddMom and FactGuy, again I don't have a ton of time to read through everything but y'all seem very insightful, knowledgeable, and positive). But for now I'm boiling it down to this.</div><div><br></div><div>Has anyone come to city council yet with the idea to fix city roads by reducing their size??? Please tell me there is at least a proposal out there for this to happen.</div><div><br></div><div>The short list (IMO) of roads that need less lanes:</div><div><br></div><div>Grand Ave</div><div>Reinartz Blvd</div><div>University Ave</div><div>Lefferson Rd</div><div>Central Ave.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm sure there are others too.</div><div><br></div><div>Excessive road capacity makes no sense. Y'all are paying for it...</div></td></tr></table> <br><br>Trotwood:<br><br>(Roosevelt), University and Breile Boulevards were put in place in the 60's by Bill Klosterman and company. They were built to allow a much faster way of getting around town with the increased speed limit of 45 and far fewer traffic lights than the old stop and go routes taken before they were built. <strong>IMO. these, above any mentioned should be held intact as they greatly speed up the process of getting around town in decent time.</strong>&nbsp;<br><br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the perspective VietVet. The wide boulevards looked '60's era but I could never be sure. Nice to know for a fact.</div><div><br></div><div>But I am going to push back on the bolded statement. The speed limit on Grand is 35, which is probably the same as it would be as a 2-lane road. Same goes for Lefferson if I remember correctly. No one drives on Reinartz, so that's a non-issue. Honestly, if I was mayor the first thing I would do is throw a wild party on the Reinartz/Verity interchange and provide people with plenty of sledgehammers and cheap beer..... but that's beside the point.</div><div><br></div><div>University, sure, I can understand that being a tougher sell. But it runs almost entirely through residential areas on its northern end, and even to the south it's primarily residential or dead retail. It would be a great way to get people out of their cars and connected to one another.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1445">Trotwood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5978<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;16&nbsp;2015 at 7:58pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Factguy" alt="Originally posted by Factguy" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Factguy wrote:</strong><br /><br />Trotwood: it would cost more in funds to destroy/ remove lanes, than to maintain what exists presently. The traffic on Breihel, Roosevelt, University, and all major multiple lane roads in the city adequately meet the daily demands of traffic.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Yes, it would. You are correct.</div><div><br></div><div>But who said anything about destroying or removing lanes?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Keep the same infrastructure, just close half the road. Heck, don't even bother to pave the half with the bike path, just pave the other section.</div><div><br></div><div>And yes I agree closing lanes on Briel and Roosevelt would be moronic. But the ones I listed I don't see how there could be an issue. Again, I don't have traffic counts, but I do have a decent memory. They don't have many cars. Heck, Reinartz Blvd. could be shut down tomorrow and I doubt more than a dozen people would even bat an eye. Don't believe me? Here's a great visual of all the traffic it DOESN'T HAVE, just to give y'all an idea....</div><div><br></div><div><img src="uploads/1445/9.JPG" height="351" width="1000" border="0" /><br></div>]]>
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