Middletown Forum : VERITY SCHOOL SOLD http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Other School Issues : VERITY SCHOOL SOLD Tue, 06 Oct 2026 13:01:04 +0000 Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:17:12 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5979 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Factguy:"Viet Vet, everything... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44708&title=verity-school-sold#44708 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 02 2015 at 8:17am

Factguy:

"Viet Vet, everything you said was based upon many factors neither the city nor the board of education has had any control over the past 60 years"

Horsecrap Factguy! They chose to run for office. They chose to sit in the chairs manning council and the board. THEY CALLED TO SHOTS AS TO DIRECTION OF THE CITY AND THE SCHOOLS. CERTAINLY THEY HAD CONTROL OVER THINGS.

"Moreover, neither has the city council nor board of education, in most part, even been in the positions during the time you are speaking"

Correct, they are,for the most part, recent members AND they have had ample time under their belt to have changed things for the better but have failed miserably. Most on council and the school board have no intention of changing anything that hasn't worked and has led this city/schools on their downward slides.

"They pull back the number of vouchers and support one several levies that provide a higher quality of life that you were in favor"

The Mulligans (at least Larry) were a part of the condoning of the increase in vouchers. He and the others certainly could have reacted to the increase alot sooner than they did. They wanted the revenue and when they FINALLY saw what it was doing to the city, they decided to pull back on the reins, to no avail.

"To bring new business into the city, and as companies require a highly educated work force, the lured Cincinnati State to make investments and a commitment, and opened the first regional community college in Butler County"

No, they brought CS into the downtown area to bolster foot traffic and provide for activity in their downtown area. The "highly educated workforce" as a residual of their original motives. And, CS hasn't exactly been a strong catalyst for downtown activity now has it. To date, it has not come close to reaching it's intented goals of interest from students. Look at the attendance numbers.


"There is not a school board member nor council member in fifteen years that has not recognized Middletown is a manufacturing town in transition. Blue collar jobs across the country have been replaced by robotics, reducing work force numbers. The city knows the market has changed, and the city must change. We've been doing it for fifteen years."

Then how is it that we read all the time where Hamilton, West Chester and the surrounding communities are opening their doors to new manufacturing companies if they are being replaced? Got some news for you Factguy. There are still plenty of manufacturing jobs that can't be filled by robotics out there. Come play in my world of private sector work to learn more.

"The city knows the market has changed, and the city must change"

The city doesn't know a dam thing. That's why they are so far behind the surrounding communities in jobs and development. The Econ. Dev. Dept in this city is anemic compared to others.

"Youhave said many times, Middletown is a blue collar town. The problem is, there aren't enough blue collar jobs as there were fifty years ago"

Sure there are. Machinists, tool and die makers, diesel mechanics, draftsmen, good auto mechanics, construction- electricians,plumbers, heavy equipment operators, etc. Many areas in blue collar left.

"e are trying to change and move forward in the new economy. You appear to want Middletown to stay as its always been, all the while blaming others the revenue stream isn't there"

No, I want you to replace as you destroy. I want you to get some decent paying job opportunities in this city. I want you to make the town respectable again and repair the image you have destroyed.

]]> Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:17:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44708&title=verity-school-sold#44708 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Viet Vet, everything you said... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44707&title=verity-school-sold#44707 Author: Factguy
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 02 2015 at 7:45am

Viet Vet, everything you said was based upon many factors neither the city nor the board of education has had any control over the past 60 years. Moreover, neither has the city council nor board of education, in most part, even been in the positions during the time you are speaking. The Mulligans have only been on the council after additional section 8 was brought in. What did they and other council members attempt to do? They pull back the number of vouchers and support one several levies that provide a higher quality of life that you were in favor. The Senior Citizens levy.

To bring new business into the city, and as companies require a highly educated work force, the lured Cincinnati State to make investments and a commitment, and opened the first regional community college in Butler County. There is not a school board member nor council member in fifteen years that has not recognized Middletown is a manufacturing town in transition. Blue collar jobs across the country have been replaced by robotics, reducing work force numbers. The city knows the market has changed, and the city must change. We've been doing it for fifteen years.

You have said many times, Middletown is a blue collar town. The problem is, there aren't enough blue collar jobs as there were fifty years ago. You want Middletown to stay as it is, a blue collar town.  There isn't a problem in that, other than there aren't enough blue collar jobs in the new world global economy to support the city as there were in the past.

We are trying to change and move forward in the new economy. You appear to want Middletown to stay as its always been, all the while blaming others the revenue stream isn't there. 

Moreover, everything to change Middletown for the better has been put in place with new leadership. Blaming our leadership today is baseless when our base has been manufacturing. We are changing.  Join us.             
]]> Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:45:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44707&title=verity-school-sold#44707 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Factguy:"Older, retired adults,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44706&title=verity-school-sold#44706 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 02 2015 at 6:24am

Factguy:

"Older, retired adults, empty nesters, would want safety...."
"Young professionals without children, or those with, would want good schools, good parks, sports, safety...."

Common word in your two comments are SAFETY, right Factguy? If true, then why do you think either you or the other city leaders would want to chop the police and fire to the absolute minimum? The parks are ok. The schools? Not even close to being acceptable.

Factguy:

"Recreation, such as bike riding, gyms, is important for any age."

Nope, not any age. Few over the age of 65 are riding bikes, nor have a gym membership. I agree, it WOULD BE important IF the 65+ age group were inclined to actually participate in the exercises you are suggesting here, but facts say they don't.

Factguy"

"Middletown passed the school levy, which provides quality of life for young adults and their children"

Nope. Not with this school district. This district doesn't offer any quality of life upgrades simply due to it's performance. As a matter of fact, the school levy to build new schools does not enhance Middletown at all as to attracting new residents. The new schools do not erase the poor reputation and performance known by all outside the city. This school district doesn't help, nor add any quality of life experiences to current residents either as it is not a quality system.

Fatguy:

"Moreover, the number of individuals who have been on both the school board and the city council that have lived in the city for decades demonstrates a commitment and longevity in their belief in the city"

Nope. Not only have the members of the school boards and councils, past and present, NOT demonstrated a commitment/"longevity of their beliefs", they have destroyed the city and the schools as compared to what they were four decades ago. Your statement would be correct IF we are to assume their "commitment" was to bring the city to it's knees and screw up everything that was good about the city. Otherwise, you are dead wrong on your praise for these two groups.

Factguy:

"For those evaluating the city to re-locate, that is very important. The city has succeeded in demonstrating its commitment and ability to provide a fine quality of life."

Do you even live in this city? Are you seeing what is really going on here? You're kidding, right? A "fine quality of life" in a city that has been turned into a ghetto, low income, Section 8 riddled, deceasing property values, poor schools, poor infrastructure, poor image failure? Seriously? That is one fine statement of denial going on for you and you, IMO, have just been nominated the Chair of the rose-colored glasses committee.

You have just demonstrated that you are totally out of touch with the reality of the situation in this city. Stop the nonsense Factguy and join us for a reality check.


]]> Mon, 02 Feb 2015 06:24:39 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44706&title=verity-school-sold#44706 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Quality of life varies based upon... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44705&title=verity-school-sold#44705 Author: Factguy
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 01 2015 at 9:40pm

Quality of life varies based upon stage of life. Older, retired adults, empty nesters, would want safety, medical care, restaurants, culture. Young professionals without children, or those with, would want good schools, good parks, sports, safety, extra-curricular activities for for their children. Recreation, such as bike riding, gyms, is important for any age.

Middletown passed the school levy, which provides quality of life for young adults and their children. Moreover, the number of individuals who have been on both the school board and the city council that have lived in the city for decades demonstrates a commitment and longevity in their belief in the city. For those evaluating the city to re-locate, that is very important. The city has succeeded in demonstrating its commitment and ability to provide a fine quality of life.

     
]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2015 21:40:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44705&title=verity-school-sold#44705 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Factguy You really need to change... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44704&title=verity-school-sold#44704 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 01 2015 at 1:59pm

Factguy
You really need to change your name,,,because you ain’t got no facts
Sunset pool wasn't used before by children and hasn't sincethe 60's.
My grand daughter tookswimming lessons at Sunset in the 90’s

Weatherwax being leasedand remains golf course, city out of business, Wildwood, Brown's Run avaialble.
When all the paperwork was completed on this dealhow much money did City Hall lose on this deal?

Less police and firebecause of shrinking population, not needed.
Oh, is that why City Hall wants all these luxuryapartments built in East End and DowntownCore? Hmmm?

Property bought downtownelevated values by controlling what was developed, and restored historic valuesby library.
You’re joking right? Show me the numbers Factguy.Main Streetproperties worth half their value and in freefall. And properties given tofriends of City Hall as non profits. You killed the tax base for downtownproperties.

Staff doesn't want moretaxes. Know if it goes above current rate, most the city trying to keep fromleaving, will leave.
That’s good because I will not give another dimeto City Hall

AKS relo, UHC, others,will bring in 1,000 jobs, and payroll plus prop taxes.
You really need to go take your medication now

 

]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2015 13:59:11 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44704&title=verity-school-sold#44704 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : No argument about the pool(s)--more... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44703&title=verity-school-sold#44703 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 01 2015 at 1:23pm

No argument about the pool(s)--more about park usage ane events similar to what we used to see....we CAN have community events without pools.
I hear that the golf course situation is very shaky---not sure how long it will hold together and how conditions will be--hoping for the best.
Wildwood/BRCC situations seem to be improving--still private clubs.

Population shrinking? Wonder why, and what types of residents are leaving? Less police and fire is not a positive with our crime/emergency rates imo.

Property downtown with elevated values?
It all had to be GIVEN away, and often we had to PAY someone to take it. Auctioning brought few takers. Only non-profits and/or no tax/employee situations. Let's get real about what is happening down there....

Quality of life issues for those who remain, factguy--something has to change for the better regarding shopping/dining/entertainment options. More long-termers with means are becoming dis-illusioned and making exit strategies. What is being done internally to appease/hold them? Who will replace them? A few jobs on the far east end may add a few residents, though many will choose surrounding areas.

Crawford St. has been razed with nothing coming back yet---Supthin now looks as bad as Crawford did...

Let's shrink this discussion down to what is happening/can be done to tangibly increase the quality of life for those residing here. It has to happen in order to retain quality residents...

]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2015 13:23:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44703&title=verity-school-sold#44703 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Sunset pool wasn't used before... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44702&title=verity-school-sold#44702 Author: Factguy
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 01 2015 at 12:18pm

Sunset pool wasn't used before by children and hasn't since the 60's.
Weatherwax being leased and remains golf course, city out of business, Wildwood, Brown's Run avaialble.
Less police and fire because of shrinking population, not needed.
Property bought downtown elevated values by controlling what was developed, and restored historic values by library.
Staff doesn't want more taxes. Know if it goes above current rate, most the city trying to keep from leaving, will leave.
AKS relo, UHC, others, will bring in 1,000 jobs, and payroll plus prop taxes.
]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2015 12:18:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44702&title=verity-school-sold#44702 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : And Sunset Park sits empty with... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44701&title=verity-school-sold#44701 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 5979
Posted: Feb 01 2015 at 10:51am

And Sunset Park sits empty with no planned activities to my knowledge
No golf course-no pools-no concerts in the parks
Less police-less fire
Property purchases/giveaways not giving citizens roi
More potholes-more staff-wanting more taxes

How will the hoped changes on the east end benefit citizens, fact guy?]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:51:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44701&title=verity-school-sold#44701 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : Yeah-took a lot of know how to... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44699&title=verity-school-sold#44699 Author: FmrMide81
Subject: 5979
Posted: Jan 31 2015 at 7:12pm

Yeah-took a lot of know how to fill in a pool shaped hole. Too bad the city can't extrapolate that knowledge into properly filling potholes.]]> Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:12:24 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44699&title=verity-school-sold#44699 VERITY SCHOOL SOLD : I believe moving the school to... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44698&title=verity-school-sold#44698 Author: Factguy
Subject: 5979
Posted: Jan 31 2015 at 11:53am

I believe moving the school to be near the high school was good for the district and strongly was in favor of passing the levy. However, and I know it has no impact now nor will change the acceptance of the bid, but where did the district get $330,000 would be needed for demolition? The city probably could have done this for $50,000., as they did a very nice job on Sunset pool, for 1/10th of what bids were received. Also, with all the contractors the city has hired for taking down properties from the Hardest Hit Fund and accompanying land bank, it seems they could have have gotten a better number for demo than $330,000. No?   ]]> Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:53:38 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=44698&title=verity-school-sold#44698