Middletown Forum : Trouble in Paradise http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Other School Issues : Trouble in Paradise Mon, 05 Oct 2026 20:41:14 +0000 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:13:37 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5993 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Trouble in Paradise : We have yet to hear when Dr. Lolli's... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=45228&title=trouble-in-paradise#45228 Author: chmoore1
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Posted: Mar 25 2015 at 1:13pm

We have yet to hear when Dr. Lolli's contract expires. just 1 chmoore.]]> Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:13:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=45228&title=trouble-in-paradise#45228 Trouble in Paradise : According to the "Board Docs"... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=45219&title=trouble-in-paradise#45219 Author: chmoore1
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Posted: Mar 25 2015 at 9:36am

According to the "Board Docs" for last Monday's school board meeting, Mrs. Cotter received a one-year contract, along with Gary Lebo. A one year contract at this stage in their careers is considered a "warning shot" (ie. shape up or be non-renewed next year). The board can offer a one-year contract once; after that, it is a standard 2 or 3 year or no-contract, non-renewed.   just 1 chmoore.]]> Wed, 25 Mar 2015 09:36:27 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=45219&title=trouble-in-paradise#45219 Trouble in Paradise : Factguy:"Viet Vet, the chief... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44862&title=trouble-in-paradise#44862 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 1:36pm

Factguy:

"Viet Vet, the chief executive officer, Mr. Ison, can appoint an agent i n his stead, to put an action plan and review of a principal. In this situation, he named Dr. Lolli as his agent acting as Chief Executive Officer, otherwise known as superintendent"

I would think that since this situation is so unusual, involves a rather popular member of the academic community in a negative way, involves assigning a person (Lolli) who has the reputation that is abrasive at best, involves only one person being singled out among many school principals who have not had stellar academic progress either, and most importantly, a very important part of his job----IE, dealing with a high level staff person in a negative way, that Ison would have handled this himself rather than ask his pit bull to do the dirty work. A tad bit cowardly as a public leader I think to be the accuser and not face the accused directly.

It appears he has chosen to be an absentee leader in this regard. ]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:36:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44862&title=trouble-in-paradise#44862 Trouble in Paradise : I believe factguy the appropriate... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44861&title=trouble-in-paradise#44861 Author: Dean
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 1:14pm

I believe factguy the appropriate statute is 3311.84(B). 

Mr. spiderjohn, I agree with you on one of your threads spread somewhere on the blog site about the light show surrounding the Interstate 75 exits. Several downtown aren't happy with the appearance and have called it having an amusement park or airport runway appearance. They should change it to a simple white in my opinion. Similarly, some have suggested it was intended to reflect a balloon glowing at night. I am having trouble grasping that comparison. 

Ms. Cotter is a very nice person. Some wear their heart and emotions on their sleeves. She wears it around her neck. I have to believe the board will pull her back from the abyss.     
]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:14:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44861&title=trouble-in-paradise#44861 Trouble in Paradise : chmoore1, remaining neutral, even... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44860&title=trouble-in-paradise#44860 Author: Factguy
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 12:11pm

chmoore1, remaining neutral, even with the new and improved guidelines for objective evaluations within the Ohio school system, both teachers and administrators can fall into two performance categories; accomplished or skilled. The other measure is a performance plan and the potential to be terminated with a non contractual renewal. Such is where Ms. Cotter finds herself present..

Under section (B) in 3317, procedures and general performance review measures are to be applied equally, between a principal throughout the district, with some specific criteria assigned to each building. In that case, as each school had relatively bad performance, with one or two exceptions at most, wouldn't it be responsible and a defensive move for Ms. Cotter to get copies of other principals that had performance rather comparable to hers? 

The next move as you described, is a private meeting with the school board. Many believe she will be successful in saving her position at that meeting, and all the activity leading to that meetings is preemptive posturing. To your earlier comment, isn't it evident the open bad feelings with her and the administration came first, and then put into the written plan? 

The next move in the chess game is executive, closed door meeting with the board. They'll save her. Graduation rates up, levy passed, questionable procedures and measures not applied across all principals, unless all have their contracts ready to be terminated, and generally, a sympathetic, compassionate board. Have JC Shew attend meeting with her for board meeting.

Viet Vet, the chief executive officer, Mr. Ison, can appoint an agent i n his stead, to put an action plan and review of a principal. In this situation, he named Dr. Lolli as his agent acting as Chief Executive Officer, otherwise known as superintendent.        
]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:11:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44860&title=trouble-in-paradise#44860 Trouble in Paradise : Thank you ch for the research... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44859&title=trouble-in-paradise#44859 Author: VietVet
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 11:25am

Thank you ch for the research on evaluating the principal and asst principal.

Would like to know the criteria for the evaluation of a superintendent in this district, and, in this case, the Director of Curriculum (Lolli). I would think that would fall under the responsibility of the school board in evaluating these two positions.

If Ms. Andrew reads this, could you to provide us with some detail as to how Ison and Lolli are evaluated to retain their jobs. What are the performance factors and what determines whether they stay or go. Perhaps you could inform us as to their performance to date.

How did the position of Director of Curriculum (or whatever you call Lolli's title) become such a power position given this position in the hierarchy in the district? I can understand the superintendent having the responsibility of evaluating principals but don't understand how this Director's slot also has a say in the evaluation. Thought curriculum oversight was strictly a courses offered/courses content deal, having nothing to do with the evaluation of personnel.

If evaluation of personnel is involved, why would you place a person who has a reputation here and in other districts for personnel antagonism to evaluate your staff? Can only lead to a major conflict as it apparently has now. It would seem that Lolli's personality isn't compatible in dealing effectively with people, particularly since you know the stories out of Barberton and Monroe are more than likely factual. Why cause internal friction when it is not needed?

]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:25:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44859&title=trouble-in-paradise#44859 Trouble in Paradise : We never have gotten the numbers... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44858&title=trouble-in-paradise#44858 Author: over the hill
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 10:34am

We never have gotten the numbers on what the HUD situation cost the city. Where's this "transparency " Dougie promised? That's just lip service. As S.J. said it would be nice to have SOME coverage on things that are going to impact the city and the tax payers. Here we go again with another law suit against the city. They just keep drawing law suits to the city. I'm wonder about what they say about " where there's smoke there's fire". DUNNO]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:34:04 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44858&title=trouble-in-paradise#44858 Trouble in Paradise : Note F(1) and (2), above:(F) Termination... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44856&title=trouble-in-paradise#44856 Author: chmoore1
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 9:14am

Note F(1) and (2), above:   
(F) Termination of a principal's contract shall be in accordance with section 3319.16 of the Revised Code, except as follows:

(1) Failure of the principal's building to meet academic performance standards established by the chief executive officer shall be considered good and just cause for termination under that section.

(2) If the chief executive officer intends to recommend to the board that the principal's contract be terminated, the chief executive officer shall provide the principal a written copy of the principal's evaluation at least five days prior to making the recommendation to the board.

]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:14:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44856&title=trouble-in-paradise#44856 Trouble in Paradise : Rather long, but worth the read:3311.84... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44855&title=trouble-in-paradise#44855 Author: chmoore1
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 9:11am

Rather long, but worth the read:

3311.84 Municipal school districts; evaluation of principals.




Notwithstanding any provision of the Revised Code to the contrary, a municipal school district shall be subject to this section instead of division (D) of section 3319.02 of the Revised Code with respect to principals and assistant principals, but all other provisions of that section shall apply to the district with respect to principals and assistant principals. Section 3319.02 of the Revised Code in its entirety shall apply to the district with respect to employees other than principals and assistant principals who are covered by that section, except as otherwise provided in section 3311.72 of the Revised Code.

(A) As used in this section, "principal" includes an assistant principal.

(B) The board of education of each municipal school district shall adopt procedures for the evaluation of principals and shall evaluate all principals in accordance with those procedures. The procedures shall be based on principles comparable to the teacher evaluation procedures adopted under section 3311.80 of the Revised Code, but shall be tailored to the duties and responsibilities of principals and the environment in which principals work. Each evaluation shall measure the principal's effectiveness in performing the duties included in the principal's job description and shall be considered by the board in deciding whether to renew the principal's contract of employment.

(C) The evaluation procedures adopted under this section shall require each principal to be evaluated annually through a written evaluation process. The evaluation shall be conducted by the chief executive officer of the district, or the chief executive officer's designee.

(D) To provide time to show progress in correcting deficiencies identified in the evaluation, each evaluation shall be completed as follows:

(1) In any school year that the principal's contract of employment is not due to expire, at least one evaluation shall be completed in that year. A written copy of the evaluation shall be provided to the principal by the end of the principal's contract year as defined by the principal's annual salary notice.

(2) In any school year that the principal's contract of employment is due to expire, at least a preliminary evaluation and a final evaluation shall be completed in that year. A written copy of the preliminary evaluation shall be provided to the principal at least sixty days prior to any action by the board on the principal's contract of employment. The final evaluation shall indicate the chief executive officer's intended recommendation to the board regarding a contract of employment for the principal. A written copy of the final evaluation shall be provided to the principal at least five days prior to the chief executive officer making the recommendation to the board.


(E) At least thirty days prior to taking action to renew or not renew the contract of a principal, the board shall notify the principal of the board's intended action and that the principal may request a meeting with the board regarding the board's intended action. Upon request of the principal, the board shall grant the principal a meeting in executive session. In that meeting, the board shall discuss its reasons for considering renewal or nonrenewal of the contract. The principal shall be permitted to have a representative, chosen by the principal, present at the meeting.

The establishment of evaluation procedures in accordance with this section shall not create an expectancy of continued employment. Nothing in this section shall prevent the board from making the final determination regarding the renewal or nonrenewal of a principal's contract.


(F) Termination of a principal's contract shall be in accordance with section 3319.16 of the Revised Code, except as follows:

(1) Failure of the principal's building to meet academic performance standards established by the chief executive officer shall be considered good and just cause for termination under that section.

(2) If the chief executive officer intends to recommend to the board that the principal's contract be terminated, the chief executive officer shall provide the principal a written copy of the principal's evaluation at least five days prior to making the recommendation to the board.


Added by 129th General AssemblyFile No.143, HB 525, ยง1, eff. 10/1/2012.
]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:11:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44855&title=trouble-in-paradise#44855 Trouble in Paradise : Administrators ARE evaluated annually.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44854&title=trouble-in-paradise#44854 Author: chmoore1
Subject: 5993
Posted: Feb 11 2015 at 9:05am

Administrators ARE evaluated annually. This is the way the "system" works, according to school officials and Ohio State law: administrators usually have a three year contract, beginning on August 1 of that particular year. If some concerns arise during the renewal year, the board can offer the administrator a one-time "one year" contract, with the intent that the administrator has a warning shot to straighten up. At the end of that one year, the board can either offer a 2 or 3 year contract, or "non-renew" (bye-bye on July 31st) with no official reason given. ANNUAL evaluations are given (governed by state law). The Treasurer and HR must inform administrators of their "intent" to non-renew a contract by March 31, even though the existing contract doesn't expire until July 31 of that year. Source: Ohio Revised code. This is where Mrs. Cotter is; the evaluation she received is only preparation for her notification by March 31st. The board receives the recommendation to renew or non-renew during the end of March meeting, and acts on the recommendation from the Superintendent. The employee, as noted in the original Journal-News article, is allowed to plead their case in executive session with the board. As added information, the board CAN over-ride the Superintendent's recommendation by a "super-majority" rather than a "simple majority."   Exhaustive research merrily provided by "just 1chmoore."]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:05:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5993&PID=44854&title=trouble-in-paradise#44854