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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6075<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;13&nbsp;2015 at 2:12pm<br /><br />someone tell me if I am wrong, but I believe the state has been over-paying due to inflated enrollment #s in a lot of places.<br /><br />I believe that charter schools may have a lot to do with this. Seems some less honorable entities have been documenting a lot of students that have enrolled, but then never come to school/class. To avoid losing funding, these schools have been marking a lot of students as "present" when they actually haven't shown up much at all. I also believe that the state has caught the worst offenders red-handed, with un-announced "spot checks" that have shown falsified attendance #s by a large %. And Ohio schools have a very high rate of discrepancy(particularly in charters?).<br /><br />As usual, the "cheaters" ruin it for those honestly reporting. So--the price that the schools pay. I would assume that virtually all systems start with more students that which they finish the year.<br /><br />correct?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1018">chmoore1</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6075<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;13&nbsp;2015 at 1:59pm<br /><br />VV: this is NOT for argument's sake, it's just an answer to your question.  The first answer that comes to mind is that teacher staffing is set for the coming school year.  It is unknown on August 15th how many students will be in a school district on May 15th.  You can't have a "highly qualified teacher"---the state requirement---on a fluctuating employment status.  Also, in the case of Hamilton (since it is cited), they may lose 270 students districtwide.  Divide this by 15 schools (or how ever many they have) that's less than 20 students per school.  This number is then divided by the number of grades, which---in an elementary is 6 or 7 (kindergarten) or 8 (Pre-K)---which is under 3 per grade, not classroom.  One last thought, just because a teacher may have 1 less student in the middle of the year doesn't mean that there will be a drastic work-load reduction.  Education cannot effectively be micro-managed to this degree.  Always your "bud"---just 1 chmoore.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6075<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;12&nbsp;2015 at 3:52pm<br /><br /> "Randy Bertram, treasurer and CFO for Middletown City Schools, said he is concerned about losing state aid because of declining enrollment, “but we must maintain the same staffing levels necessary to educate the higher number of students.”"<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;“Our costs don’t decline, but our state aid will,” he said.<br /><br />Why do they need to maintain the same staffing as if they have more kids when the enrollment is declining. Doesn't make sense. If you have less work to do, you downsize your people to accomodate the workload. All employers do that in the private sector. Why are public sector people kept on the payroll with no work to do state people?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6075<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Apr&nbsp;12&nbsp;2015 at 12:32pm<br /><br /><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 10.8pt; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Posted: 7:30 a.m.Sunday, April 12, 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 10.8pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#555555;  text-trans:uppercase">IN-DEPTH COVERAGE<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><h1 style="margin: 0in 0in 7.5pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;  font-family:Arial;color:#444444">School districts wary about new way ofreporting enrollment<o:p></o:p></span></h1><p ="cmcredit" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">By<span ="apple-c&#111;nverted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href="http://www.journal-news.com/staff/eric-schwartzberg/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><span style="color:black;border:n&#111;ne text 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:n&#111;ne text 0in;  padding:0in">Eric Schwartzberg</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p ="cmsource" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">Staff Writer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; School districts used to count theirstudents for compensation for one week in October, but new state regulationsthat require school districts to count students every day have some localadministrators concerned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">Inthe past, districts knew from the October enrollment counts what to expect instate payments through the rest of the year. That’s not the case under the newsystem, said Lakota Treasurer Jenni Logan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “What we have reported to them, they havenot sent anything back to us to say, ‘These are the numbers that we have foryour district’ for student count on how we’re funding you,’” <st1:city w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Logan</st1:place></st1:city> said. “Every district in the state of <st1:state w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Ohio</st1:place></st1:state> between July andnow is being funded based on last year’s numbers.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That means when ODE eventually sends theactual numbers, districts may end up with numbers that are lower than theyexpected, <st1:city w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Logan</st1:place></st1:city>said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “And the state’s going to say, ‘We gave youtoo much,’ then they’re going to yank it back in three months,” <st1:city w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Logan</st1:place></st1:city> said. “It’s becausethey bit off more than they could chew. They said, ‘We’re going to startcounting every kid, every day and we’re going to do it immediately.’ And nowhere we’re are, we’re doing our part, but we’re not seeing that happening atthe state level.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That, <st1:city w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Logan</st1:place></st1:city>said, is because the state “can’t manage all that change.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “It was a lot of change when you look atthe counting of students, all of the testing, all of the evaluation. It was toomuch,” <st1:city w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Logan</st1:place></st1:city>said. “We knew it, and now they’re proving it was too much.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That’s a major concern for a schooldistrict worried about Gov. John Kasich’s budget, which includes a proposedfunding change that would knock $3.1 million in tangible personal property taxreimbursement for the district to just $600,000 the first year and then down tonothing the following year.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; School districts are paid twice a month bythe state based on an amount calculated for the year, minus what’s been paidyear-to-date, divided by the number of payments remaining in the year,according to ODE spokesman John Charlton.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “With this new count, every kid mattersevery day,” Charlton said. “At the end of the year, their annual amount willreflect the actual FTE (full-time equivalent) of students for the full year.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At the three reporting windows, ODE updatesa district’s FTE with how the situation has changed from the last update,Charlton said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For example, a student starting in a schoolon the first day of the year and still there as of Oct. 31 is reported as “1”FTE.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But say the student moves to anotherdistrict in January, Charlton said. That means in the March reporting window,that student’s FTE drops to “0.5”. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Whenthe student doesn’t move back to the district, the June reporting window forthe student’s FTE remains “0.5”, Charlton said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “For every payment to the district, the FTEof all students is used to calculate the annual amount, and then thesemi-monthly payment is determined,” Charlton said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ODE will not be able to determine what theyear’s actual FTE will be until the end of the school year, when it has thefinal picture of FTE based on when students enrolled or withdrew throughout theentire year, Charlton said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “So there are three updates to get uscloser to knowing the final picture, but we won’t be able to say with certaintywhat any district will be funded until the very end of the year because thefinal update is June 30,” Charlton said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bob Hancock, treasurer of Hamilton CitySchools, said based on the current state foundation funding formulacalculations, the district would have to lose over 700 students in order forthis year’s enrollment to come into play, “so it is not an immediate concern.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hancock said it should be noted that apolicy of funding school districts based on average daily membership countsconducted throughout the school year will have the effect of increasing classsizes in school districts where the enrollment at the start of the year is higherthan the end of the year.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “In <st1:city w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Hamilton</st1:place></st1:city>,we have an average decline of 270 students from the beginning of the schoolyear until the end,” Hancock said. “Teacher staffing levels are set at thebeginning of the school year, and we will have to take the average monthlyenrollment numbers into consideration when setting staffing levels in futureyears.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Randy Bertram, treasurer and CFO forMiddletown City Schools, said he is concerned about losing state aid because ofdeclining enrollment, “but we must maintain the same staffing levels necessaryto educate the higher number of students.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “Our costs don’t decline, but our state aidwill,” he said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">GregYoung, superintendent of Ross Local Schools, said he believes he understandswhat the state is trying to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “They’re trying to say, ‘We’ll pay you forthe students you actually have and the amount of time they’re at school eachday,’” Young said. “That’s the other piece of it that’s kind of new anddifferent.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That means districts might be penalized ifstudents are not there the whole day, such as when they allow seniors to arrivea period late or leave a period early, Young said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “The state’s not going to give you the fullamount of money for those kids now based on this new way of calculating stateaid … whereas in the past, if the student was there for most of the day, youstill got the full amount for that student,” he said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fairfield City Schools spokeswoman GinaGentry-Fletcher said it’s typical to see enrollment fluctuate from year to yearin a district of Fairfield’s size.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: 18pt; outline: 0px; -: initial; 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