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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Vet - I think you are asking a...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=143">Marianne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2015 at 1:40pm<br /><br />Vet - I think you are asking a good question, but taxes have long supported education for students beyond K-12. &nbsp; This is nothing new. &nbsp;In the early twentieth century, you saw industry - university partnerships for research purposes, but at mid century (coinciding with WWII, of course), you have things like the 1945 report <i>Science, The Endless Frontier</i>. The federal government recognized that for the country to be successful, university research needed to be supported. &nbsp;So you have things like the National Science Foundation being established in 1950. &nbsp;The sort of work being funded by federal dollars (from taxpayers' contributions, of course) helps educate university students. &nbsp; &nbsp;So, your tax dollars have been educating college students for a long time. &nbsp;&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Marcia, I wasn't suggesting that the state funding of districts was simple. &nbsp;I just think it's important to recognize that when places like Cincinnati State, Sinclair, Miami, Wright State, etc. receive state tax dollars through CCP, it's because they are providing an education to a district's students. &nbsp; I dislike the rhetoric that districts are "paying" these institutions, because I think that's an inaccurate statement. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Your question about why there isn't an income threshold is a good one, but if you read <a href="http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3365.06" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ORC 3365.06</a>, a family can choose through option A to be responsible for the full costs. &nbsp;Of course, this would require a family saying, "We earn enough money to pay for college tuition for our son or daughter, so let's choose Option A." &nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Marianne, thank you for posting...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=529">Marcia Andrew</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2015 at 11:56am<br /><br />Marianne, thank you for posting some additional information. I did not mean to imply that colleges are not sharing the cost burden for this program. I don't think that Columbus provided any extra funding to universities for this program, either. Viet Vet has a legitimate question whether state and local tax dollars should be allocated this way. I personally believe that providing access to higher ed to those that cannot afford it improves the economy and therefore benefits everyone indirectly. However, it is difficult for me to understand why there is not a financial need threshold for the program. Children of parents who can afford college are receiving free college credits on the same basis as children of the poorest parents. <br /><br />However, school funding is even more complicated than what you post. While the State starts with a funding model of $5300 or so per student, due to funding caps and other issues, the amount of state funding that each district actually receives varies by district.  Middletown City Schools actually only receives closer to $3000 per student (I don't have the exact amount handy). Payments to colleges for PSEO come out of that amount before the school district receives the remaining funding. It costs around $9500 per student to provide an education. If a student at the high school takes one class at MUM, they still have 6 classes at the high school that have to be staffed, plus a guidance counselor, and overhead like a principal, central office administrators to deal with all the changing state regulations, coaches and advisors for extracurriculars, utilities, janitors, transportation etc. Not to mention that, if Student A opts to take English at MUM, reducing one English class at MHS from 28 students to 27, no expenses have been saved by MHS.<br />]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : The bottom line.....no matter...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2015 at 11:29am<br /><br />The bottom line.....no matter how you perceive the funding, the taxpayer is paying for a high school student to receive a college education when that is a parent/family responsibility IMO. <br /><br />The state gets it's $5300 per student from the taxpayer. The local districts get their funding from the taxpayer. And now, based on the fees received, as you have described, the universities have now joined in receiving money to deliver the subject instruction to the high school student.<br /><br />Again the question......does anyone think this is right for the taxpayer to fund a college education for the high school student when it has always been financed privately through the family of the student? The taxpayer has always funded K-12, but now they are providing the financial source for an education beyond high school? Why?]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Just a few words about how funding...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=143">Marianne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;25&nbsp;2015 at 11:03am<br /><br />Just a few words about how funding for College Credit Plus works, because I believe there's a great deal of misunderstanding out there. &nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="line-height: 1.4;">ORC 3365 addresses all of this, but in brief: &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><div><br></div><div>The state allots a certain amount of funding each year per pupil to each district; this coming year it's about $5300.&nbsp;</div><blockquote ="cite" style="color: rgb34, 34, 34; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8000001907349px; line-height: normal;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">17% of that amount goes to the school district.&nbsp; The remaining 83% is divided between the district and the higher education institutions based on where the student takes classes. &nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Through ORC 3365, the state sets the price-tag for cost - between $40 - $160 a credit hour.&nbsp; There are default amounts based on where and how the course is delivered.&nbsp; If a student takes a college class on the campus or online with the college instructor, the default amount is $160; if the class is in the high school taught by the college instructor, the default is $80; if the class is in the high school taught by a high school teacher credentialed by the college, the default is $40. &nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Some area higher education institutions have made agreements with local school districts to accept something other than the default amount established per delivery mode. &nbsp;For example, a higher education institution might agree to accept $40 per credit hour regardless of delivery mode. &nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Also, schools cannot charge students (nor districts) any additional fees or costs. &nbsp;So, in the past, a higher education institution could collect an application fee from a PSEO student applying to participate. &nbsp;Now they cannot. &nbsp; That's important, because students can apply to as many colleges and universities as they want - for free - and those applications need to be processed. &nbsp;Students need to complete any required placement testing. &nbsp; Colleges and universities are absorbing these costs. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">The state default amounts are generally much less than what a college or university would receive per credit hour for a fully matriculated student. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">The districts and non public schools with students participating are responsible for textbook costs. &nbsp;I have a feeling the state will need to examine whether it provides additional funding to districts to help offset these costs. &nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Higher education institutions are receiving compensation from the state for educating a district's students. &nbsp; I would not characterize it as the districts "paying" the colleges. &nbsp; As I wrote at the beginning, it's a pie that is being divided by the state based on what institutions are educating a student. &nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: georgia, serif;">Overall, I think it's a tremendous opportunity for many students and a fantastic way to build partnerships between institutions of higher education and districts. &nbsp; But I also think it's an incredibly complex program with ramifications that we are only beginning to discuss. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Statement from Ms. Andrew:College...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2015 at 2:27pm<br /><br />Statement from Ms. Andrew:<br /><br />College Credit Plus is what the State is now calling what used to be PSEO, Post Secondary Education Option, where high school students can take college classes for high school credit and also earn college credit. Under both programs, the school district is required to pay the college tuition for these students. But under the new program, eligibility has been expanded by state law to 7-12th graders, and the school district has to pay for college course books, too, not just tuition. The school district has no choice once the student is accepted by the college into the program. The State never provided funding for PSEO costs, and has not provided additional funding for the expanded College Credit Plus. Payments to the colleges are deducted from the general fund payments made to the district by the State<br /><br />So. bottom line, the Middletown schools pay the college tuition/books for the high school student to take, and be given credit for college credit hours toward a degree. The Middleotown schools get their money to pay this tuition from the taxpayers property taxes. By deductive reasoning, the taxpayer is paying for a college education for a person other than an immediate family member, as is the traditional way of funding a college education, with the family members and the student benefiting from this directly. What does the taxpayer get out of this free money to the family in helping to provide this college education?<br /><br />In essence, the state of Ohio has said, you, the district taxpayer, will provide the money to allow the high school family member of a family you don't know, a free tuition/book buying ride, and you, the taxpayer, will have no say in the matter. Does this sound right to any of you folks?<br /><br />Statement from Ms. Andrew:<br /><br />"Opinion now -- I believe it is good for the community and good for Ohio to provide students with more access and a variety of pathways to success after high school, through technical certification programs and 2-year degrees in addition to traditional college. Having more qualified, credentialed workers will help attract better jobs. My issue is with the way it has been implemented by the State as an unfunded mandate. It should be funded from money the State gives to higher education, not K-12 school districts, because it is providing college credits for free to students and their families"<br /><br />But Ms. Andrew, do you think it is fair for the taxpayers to provide a college education to students when the parents are normally responsible for that? The student and family benefit from this, not the taxpayer. I say, let them fund their own college education like it was before. It might be "good for the community and good for Ohio" but it isn't necessarily a fair and equitable way for those who are forced to pay for others to go to college. That is a family decision and a family responsibility to finance it IMO. Whether the state gives it to education or the local school district pays, it all comes from forced taxes. No difference is there?<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Thank you for the additional nformation...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2015 at 12:16pm<br /><br />Thank you for the additional nformation Mrs Andrews]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Some facts that might help clear...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=529">Marcia Andrew</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2015 at 11:25am<br /><br />Some facts that might help clear up some questions raised when one reads this Journal article:<br /><br />The Middie Academy is not a new program; it used to be called Success Academy (grades 10-12) and Freshman Academy (grade 9) and has been housed in the Manchester Building. It is an alternative high school using online/blended learning where students complete courses at their own pace, with support from teachers and a counselor. It is one of the reasons for the increase in MHS' graduation rate.<br /><br />Moving the Middie Academy out of the Manchester Building frees up classrooms for swing space for MHS students while MHS is renovated in stages.  The other option for swing space would be temporary trailers (at a rental cost)(that would come out of the construction budget).  It also allows for collaboration with Cincinnati State that will benefit our students.<br /><br />The potential increase mentioned by the Treasurer from $65,000 to $130,000 is for the cost of College Credit Plus district wide, not Middie Academy. The only increased cost to Middie Academy program is the rent, which is instead of renting trailers.<br /><br />College Credit Plus is what the State is now calling what used to be PSEO, Post Secondary Education Option, where high school students can take college classes for high school credit and also earn college credit. Under both programs, the school district is required to pay the college tuition for these students. But under the new program, eligibility has been expanded by state law to 7-12th graders, and the school district has to pay for college course books, too, not just tuition.  The school district has no choice once the student is accepted by the college into the program. The State never provided funding for PSEO costs, and has not provided additional funding for the expanded College Credit Plus. Payments to the colleges are deducted from the general fund payments made to the district by the State.<br /><br />Opinion now -- I believe it is good for the community and good for Ohio to provide students with more access and a variety of pathways to success after high school, through technical certification programs and 2-year degrees in addition to traditional college. Having more qualified, credentialed workers will help attract better jobs. My issue is with the way it has been implemented by the State as an unfunded mandate.  It should be funded from money the State gives to higher education, not K-12 school districts, because it is providing college credits for free to students and their families.]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Any other comments from any school...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2015 at 11:24am<br /><br />Any other comments from any school board member on the comments provided? Or, with the exception of Ms. Andrew, do you all want to remain silent and secretive as usual? No credibility on the school board if they won't interact with the taxpaying public IMO. Same goes for any of the council members. Afraid to engage the public on controversial issues. Terrific representation. ]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students :  Hmm.....this is the ONLY building...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2015 at 9:19am<br /><br />Hmm.....this is the ONLY building that CS owns in the downtown area. The First National Bank and the Old Senior Citizens buildings are owned by HEP and the CG&amp;E building that is still not completed is now owned by Store Master Funding.<br>This five year deal will ensure much needed revenue goes to Cincinnati State since the student numbers are not increasing.]]>
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   <title>Middletown Academy Students : Is the Middie Academy what used...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=695">middletownscouter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6132<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2015 at 8:54am<br /><br />Is the Middie Academy what used to be called the Success Academy or is this something different?]]>
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