Middletown Forum : Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : SEEKING THE TRUTH wrote:So...

Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:50:41 +0000

Author: VietVet
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 18 2016 at 7:50am

SEEKING THE TRUTH wrote:

So after all the finger pointing on this topic we all have to step back as citizens of this city and look at ourselves in a mirror and say what have I done today to make this town better. People this is a group effort but it starts with one person's idea. We need to roll up the selves and get started on real projects that will make a difference in the community trust me I am not a big fan of city hall but city hall did not make this town people did and it is still a proud town full of good people.

If you would try to gather the citizens for a problem solving/ idea creating event, you will find out quickly that you will be battling the apathy bug in this community. Years ago, a small contingent of people tried to gather people at the library. The initial meeting produced the largest group of approx. 35 people. After that, the group size dwindled to less than 10 with each Sunday meeting scheduled. We talked about the city and visited topics like the streets, jobs, taxes, looked at the city finances and tried our best to understand how the funds were set up. Even had Marconi and Scott-Jones show up one meeting but they both did a good job avoiding an explanation (or didn't understand it themselves). We talked about econ. dev and a number of topics back then as we do on this site. The meetings went away over time. Nick Kidd tried the same thing years ago at the old Montgomery Ward store on University. Again, apathy took over.

You will not get any cooperation from the city leaders on a "leader/council/citizen" discussion arrangement. They are more into the exclusion of the general public on any new ideas or suggestions. If you approach them, you will find that out quickly. They have their ideas.......yours don't count. You can see that in the faces of council members as you speak at the council meeting podium as old Lawrence Mulligan cuts you off before your 3 minute time limit is up.....if you are not a friend of the city. Exclusion is the name. You're not important is the game.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : So after all the finger pointing...

Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:36:09 +0000

Author: SEEKING THE TRUTH
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 17 2016 at 8:36pm

So after all the finger pointing on this topic we all have to step back as citizens of this city and look at ourselves in a mirror and say what have I done today to make this town better. People this is a group effort but it starts with one person's idea. We need to roll up the selves and get started on real projects that will make a difference in the community trust me I am not a big fan of city hall but city hall did not make this town people did and it is still a proud town full of good people.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Dean:"Don't know how...

Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:13:38 +0000

Author: VietVet
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 17 2016 at 3:13pm

Dean:

"Don't know how much you make sir, but of it was 100,000"....

Don't I wish but I'm not a high roller here and don't make half that amount.

Double checked with all the group members asking them who they pay their city taxes to and all said to their home city. As I metioned, none of us have paid any Fairborn city taxes since we have been working on the base. It all goes to our places of residence and each of us pay differing amounts depending on our tax rate.

No, at 1.75% Middletown city tax, for ten years (and Middletown's city tax rate use to be 1.50% until a few years ago), I have "lost" (in the form of taxes), in the wide range of 5 to 8 grand paid to Middletown, no doubt for some great causes and worth every penny as I know how frugal they are with our tax money...... Not close to 20 grand.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Riverside, Ohio has litigated...

Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:56:34 +0000

Author: Dean
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 17 2016 at 1:56pm

Riverside, Ohio has litigated twice WPFAB associated with the 1.5% local tax. I believe it is still in federal court or may have been settled, but the issue was the perceived unconstitutionality of federal non local taxes when the base sits within an Ohio city. Don't know how much you make sir, but of it was 100,000, would be down in a non tax area putting an extra 1750 net in my pocket each year. You have lost nearly 20,000 in cash in ten years.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Dean, will speak for my situation...

Wed, 17 Feb 2016 06:13:53 +0000

Author: VietVet
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 17 2016 at 6:13am

Dean, will speak for my situation only. I work for a defense supply contractor here on the base. I have NO Fairborn or Middletown city taxes taken out of my paycheck and I have been doing this for over 10 years. I file with Middletown as to city tax payments and make quarterly city tax payments to them based on what I declare as my income for the year. Everyone in my group files with their city in which they reside.

Again, my entire 1.75% goes to Middletown and nothing has ever gone to Fairborn. As mentioned, it has been this way for over 10 years. The city of Fairborn would have contacted all of us by now if this were not so. Apparently, a government installation like WP is tax exempt as it applies to the city of Fairborn in this case.

Is KPMG located on the base or just outside the perimeter? Would make a whole lot of difference if outside the base perimeter where Fairborn tax is collected.

As to your point on P&G.....

My wife and I both worked for P&G in the 80's/90's at the Sharon Woods Tech Center. We both had Blue Ash city tax taken out which was greater than the Middletown tax rate. Therefore, we owed Middletown nothing at tax time. If the Blue Ash city tax rate was lower than Middletown's rate, we would have owed Middletown the difference between the Blue Ash rate and the Middletown rate. If both are the same or if the Blue Ash rate was higher, no money is owed Middletown with Blue Ash getting it all. That is the way it worked for us back then.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Mr. VietVet, having a daughter...

Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:23:54 +0000

Author: Dean
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 16 2016 at 9:23pm

Mr. VietVet, having a daughter that is a Partner at KPMG Federal Systems Group, I knew indeed Fairborn charges local tax. You pay or have with-held, 1.5%. You then pay Middletown the extra .25%. I believe that whole area with WPAFB has a credit tax structure. If not, you are paying 2.75% total local, which is astronomical.

If your point two married professionals working down at P & G data center in Mason making 130,000 annually, with no taxes for local, would move to Middletown to commute from the Nicholas Place, well.....I have some prime wetlands in Arizona I will sell you for 135,000 an acre.

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Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Dean:(just a FYI)......."if...

Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:29:38 +0000

Author: VietVet
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 16 2016 at 6:29pm

Dean:(just a FYI)

......."if you are paying no tax in a city you work, most will move in the city offering no tax. an't think of anyone paying no local tax and then paying Middletown .175%."

Dean, I work at Wright-Patt. There are over 27,000 employees working there in three areas, one of the largest single site employers in the state. None of them, including myself, pay any city taxes to Fairborn. We all pay our entire city tax obligation to the city in which we reside.

I pay my entire city tax obligation to Middletown at 1.75%.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Well Dean, it seems that they...

Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:40:39 +0000

Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 16 2016 at 3:40pm

Well Dean, it seems that they have now come upwith a new excuse for pouring millions of dollars more into their downtownrevitalization plan called ”All American City 2020”.

Don’t any of these people remember what Middletownwas like in 1956 when we were an All American City?
Good paying jobs were plentiful, schools were great, Middie Pride was off thecharts and Jerry Lucas was king of the basketball courts. Every business andhome radio in town were tuned into an away game so we wouldn’t miss the action. Thestreets of downtown were filled with owner operated businesses to meet yourevery want and need. Money was flowing through this town.

All American City 2020…I don’t think so. The only thing this plan does for meis make me depressed because I do remember the great Middletown of 1956.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : I have been struggling to understand...

Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:58:48 +0000

Author: Dean
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 16 2016 at 1:58pm

I have been struggling to understand why the city manager wanted to call Forbes Magazine in a year or more and invite them back, when Forbes criteria won't change, and Middletown's position obtaining the metrics hasn't either.

Don't see the purpose of bringing it up. There is no benefit of bad press.

The city needs to let go of the Forbes article. Their attention has not been focusing on what Forbes used for their ranking and the city hasn't improved against the metrics. Yelling come on back Forbes, we have restaurants doesn't seem to serve a purpose other than keeping alive an 8 year old article.

Psychoanalysis: Forbes Article On City Leaders : Dean No logicâ€¦No connectionâ€¦to...

Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:11:36 +0000

Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 6273
Posted: Feb 16 2016 at 1:11pm

Dean

No logic…No connection…to downtown revitalization
City Hall is angry because the article clearly showed FAILED LEADERSHIP at alllevels of City Hall in my humble opinion.