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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Pacman:  I absolutely agree with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;21&nbsp;2008 at 8:45am<br /><br />Pacman: <DIV>I absolutely agree with what you say in your 8:18 post.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I was simply trying to amicably disagree with your view that: </DIV><BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV>"This section of land was annexed&nbsp;by Middletown.&nbsp; Middletown is developing it, Middletown and Middletowns schools should reap the benefit."</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>The fact is that Middletown knew (or at least should have known) that&nbsp;for Franklin School District to prevail&nbsp;was a possible, even probable,&nbsp;outcome and so should have been prepared&nbsp;to face&nbsp;this result.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>All of that having been said, I do agree that the annexation was a good move.&nbsp; I am concerned, however, about the length of time required before we realize a return on investment, and I have a differing&nbsp;view on what would have been the best zoning approach and architectural standards.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Mike you know as well as I do...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;21&nbsp;2008 at 8:18am<br /><br />Mike you know as well as I do that many laws or regulations are changed as circumstances change.&nbsp;&nbsp; How many&nbsp;laws that have been on the books for years are changed by the courts each year.&nbsp; Simply because that is the way it has been done for years doesn't mean it doesn't need to be changed or that it is right.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Whether Middletowns BOE eventually wins this case or not, the move to annex this land was a good move for the City.&nbsp; Being&nbsp;basically land locked I would say for Middletown to Annex any and all&nbsp;land they can get their hands on at this time.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Pacman:  I would agree with you...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;21&nbsp;2008 at 6:47am<br /><br />Pacman: <DIV>I would agree with you except for one major point!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The relavent laws and regulations were in place <EM>BEFORE</EM> Middletown spent the time, trouble, and expense of annexation and development.&nbsp; Unfortunately, Middletown officials have a track record of assuming that they can do whatever they want, regardless of the law.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Can a neighbor build a wall on YOUR side of the property line, ASSUMING that you will sell the strip of land (or grant him an easement) later?</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : It is not up to theMiddletown...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2008 at 7:31pm<br /><br />It is not up to the&nbsp;Middletown BOE to act Prudently as far as Franklins School District is concerned, that is the&nbsp;Franklin BOE's job.&nbsp; Is it prudent for Middletown to develope this area of their City much with Tax Payer funds to only fund Franklins School System, personally I think not.&nbsp; This section of land was annexed&nbsp;by Middletown.&nbsp; Middletown is developing it, Middletown and Middletowns schools should reap the benefit.&nbsp; In my opinion&nbsp;Ohios Laws are antiquated in this instance and need to be revised, hopefully that will happen.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Perhaps Middletown wins this dispute....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">John Beagle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;20&nbsp;2008 at 2:06pm<br /><br />Perhaps Middletown wins this dispute. One could argue that Dr. Price and the school board acted prudently for Middletown. Not so prudent with Franklin however.]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Don&amp;#039;t feel bad John he never...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;03&nbsp;2008 at 5:20pm<br /><br />Don't feel bad John he never replied to&nbsp;my email either and I still&nbsp;have an issue with the MCSD that is unresolved. ]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Edited </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">John Beagle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;03&nbsp;2008 at 5:14pm<br /><br /><P>Edited</P>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : &amp;#034;Is it reasonable to spend...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=106">Middletown News</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;03&nbsp;2008 at 11:08am<br /><br /><P><FONT size=3>"Is it reasonable to spend $156,647 to secure potential future revenues in the tens of millions?" Ms. Andrew</P><DIV></DIV><DIV>Not if you have tried and tried, and the court system has denied two times. At some point, its like paying someone big money to beat a dead horse.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I have to say at this point, it doesn't make sense. Thanks for asking.</DIV></FONT>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Marcia Andrew: Middletown wants...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;03&nbsp;2008 at 4:11am<br /><br /><H2>Marcia Andrew: Middletown wants fair solution to land dispute</H2><DIV id=author><P ="name"><FONT size=3>By Marcia Andrew</FONT></P></DIV><P id=pubdate><FONT size=3>Sunday, November 02, 2008 </FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>It is misleading for the Franklin City School District to continually paint itself as the victim in the dispute over Middletown City School District's request to redraw the school district boundaries to include the land around the Atrium Medical Center. Ask yourself:</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>• When one city expands into vacant land of another city, spurring economic development subsidized by the taxpayers of the first city, who should reap the benefits of the expanded tax base? Middletown taxpayers contributed millions of dollars to allow the building of the new hospital, and the city's economic development efforts — also funded by Middletown taxpayers — have focused on this area by the interstate. Before the land was annexed to the city of Middletown, it was an empty field full of buried tires. Is Franklin entitled to a windfall from Middletown's investment?</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>• Is it reasonable to spend $156,647 to secure potential future revenues in the tens of millions? The amount spent, spread over three years, although large, is still a tiny fraction of our $70 million annual budget. Student learning was not impacted. Plus, the old adage is true — you have to spend money to make money.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>As new businesses locate near the hospital, and existing businesses migrate there from downtown, the tax value of the land will increase dramatically. Over the next several decades, tens of millions of dollars of new tax revenue is at stake. From this perspective, it would be irresponsible for Middletown not to pursue the land transfer.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>• Did the Middletown school board follow a reasonable process in making its decisions? From the initial decision in 2005 to file the petition for the land transfer, through the most recent decision to appeal the denial of the transfer to the Court of Appeals, a total of 10 different school board members have been briefed on the matter. Board members asked hard questions of the superintendent, treasurer and legal counsel.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>At every stage, each of the then-current board members agreed that it was in the best interests of the Middletown School District and Middletown taxpayers to attempt to redraw the school district boundaries to match the city boundaries. The right to appeal is a basic part of the judicial system, providing a means to correct the errors of lower courts. Is Middletown wrong for refusing to concede the game before the fourth quarter has been played?</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>• Why does the law require an all-or-nothing outcome? The way the law is written, one district or the other will receive 100 percent of the tax revenues from the disputed area. From the beginning, Middletown has preferred a compromise in which Franklin would keep all of the tax revenue from the existing taxable value of the land, and the new tax revenue generated by the expected increase in land values would be shared fairly between the two districts.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>Middletown has repeatedly tried to reach a win-win solution, but Franklin apparently prefers to gamble on grabbing all of the tax windfall for itself.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3></FONT><P ="note"><FONT size=3>Marcia Andrew is a member of the Middletown Board of Education.</FONT></P>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Schools Land Dispute with Franklin : Spider- I remember years ago,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 640<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;02&nbsp;2008 at 6:49pm<br /><br />Spider- I remember years ago, when the school district purchased the Miller Ridge land. Rumors at that time were that a new high school would be built on that site. The land sat vacant for years and it seemed that "all of a sudden", up sprouted a new elementary school. Then, as you say, the Rosedale area residents were lied to and changes were made that angered many Rosedale parents. I have always thought that the Rosedale area was chocked full of people that always supported the school levys(club members) and went along with anything that Price and the board wanted to do. Perhaps the actions of Price and the school board have been so devious that even this area may have it's share of no voters on future levys although the people would never admit they voted against the schools as it is socially unacceptable to voice your true feelings around other club members. The distinguished/high- falutin' folks in Manchester Manor, Divinci Drive and the Oaks would not approve of such "deviant" behavior, don't 'cha know! <img src="Yes,%20Andrews%20is%20another%20problem%20child%20that%20need%20not%20apply%20for%20a%20positi&#111;n%20within%20the%20city.smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" />  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" />  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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