Middletown Forum : Vacant building http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Community Revitalization : Vacant building Tue, 06 Oct 2026 02:55:34 +0000 Sun, 02 Apr 2017 11:07:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6437 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Vacant building : Okay this is nuts let's have... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48056&title=vacant-building#48056 Author: SEEKING THE TRUTH
Subject: 6437
Posted: Apr 02 2017 at 11:07am

Okay this is nuts let's have a auction.]]> Sun, 02 Apr 2017 11:07:38 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48056&title=vacant-building#48056 Vacant building : swohio75:"if you are going... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48005&title=vacant-building#48005 Author: VietVet
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 16 2017 at 12:30pm

swohio75:

"if you are going to call it corporate welfare when it gets used in the downtown area, you need to call it corporate welfare when it is applied to projects outside of downtown as well."

Nope. Disagree. This "corporate welfare", in the form of using taxpayer money for development, occurs in the downtown area 99% of the time. The rest of the city is on it's own and is at the mercy of private enterprise for the most part. The city does very little to promote any development outside the downtown area. It is well documented within these pages just how much taxpayer money has been socked into the downtown area and what little reward it has yielded. There has been very little taxpayer money go toward development in any other part of the city. Every story the Journal presents to the public, every transaction handled by council in a typical council meeting and when promotion of an area is announced, it is about financing the downtown. Every dime available for development goes into the dam downtown and I might add, the return on investment takes a nosedive every time this happens. The slow-to-no downtown progress over all of these years proves that statement. It has been a disaster as to investment value but the dam downtown supporters keep the fiasco alive anyway.    ]]> Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:30:01 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48005&title=vacant-building#48005 Vacant building : swo--for the small guy it doesn't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48004&title=vacant-building#48004 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 16 2017 at 11:53am

swo--for the small guy it doesn't happen outside of the former downtown
We will wait for the details and hidden taxpayer costs
How many(%) of these former downtown area giveaways have worked?]]> Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:53:45 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48004&title=vacant-building#48004 Vacant building : spiderjohn wrote:??Sounds... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48003&title=vacant-building#48003 Author: swohio75
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 16 2017 at 11:16am

Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

??
Sounds like private sector welfare financed by taxpayers
Who recieve little to nothing for their $$$
Basic services don't improve
Private owners pocket $$$$
No property tax
Few jobs

Wrong swo?

Will we ever learn?
Again - depends.  I don't know the specifics about the project.   However, CRA does not exempt a property from property tax.  Just anything incremental based on improvements made for x # of years based on the agreement.  This type of development tool is not unique to Middletown and has been used by cities for decades.  And if improvements made increase surrounding property values, incremental taxes to those properties will be collected. 

Re: Job Creation--if you are going to call it corporate welfare when it gets used in the downtown area, you need to call it corporate welfare when it is applied to projects outside of downtown as well.  Again, I don't know the specifics about the project/proposal or how many jobs it is expected to create, so this type of incentive may not even get used.  I am just suggesting that is is one possible option for the developer.  
]]> Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:16:17 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=48003&title=vacant-building#48003 Vacant building : swohio75:"I don't see... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47995&title=vacant-building#47995 Author: VietVet
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 14 2017 at 7:41am

swohio75:

"I don't see the city giving $ outright for redevelopment, imo."

How about the taxpayer money used to purchase the Thatcher Estate buildings setting Cincy State up for business? Was taxpayer money used to do interior work on the old CG&E building as well?

The Rose Furniture deal where the city loaned 350 thou for redevelopment. Robinette's group wasn't it?

Or the Manchester where the city used taxpayer dollars for purchase, tried to sell it for 350 thou with no takers and ended up giving it away to Grau for a buck just to see him back out of the deal?

Hey, and how about the old Senior's Center where the city bought the building, had it sold and bought it back again, right? Still empty with no planned use.

The city using money to pay for the lease of the lower floor of the former bank building for excess city building personnel to help the building owner with his redevelopment costs? Is this a Robinette deal as well or another owner?

What about the Duncan Oil plans on property purchase, demolition costs and the plans for a convenience store that went awry? Office Outfitters location? What happened there?

Or the old Hobby Lobby/cabinet city money store purchase for 95 thou that went south?

Who owns the Liberty after a number of failed business attempts there?

Who owns the old library on 1st Ave? How about all the vacant storefronts on Central downtown? City own a few of those as well?

The old Journal building perhaps? The old Reed-Klopp furniture store of the old Studio Theatre property? City owned and sitting with a million dollar price tag to remove the asbestos with no takers in decades?

How about all the cost for all of the buildings demoed for extra parking around Cincy State that has yet to be used? Ligon gas station?

What about the old Armco/John Ross building and the 350 thou of city taxpayer money to set up the PAC?

All examples of the city using taxpayer money to set up redevelopment opportunities to control who develops their downtown, right?]]> Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:41:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47995&title=vacant-building#47995 Vacant building : ??Sounds like private sector welfare... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47994&title=vacant-building#47994 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 13 2017 at 8:58pm

??
Sounds like private sector welfare financed by taxpayers
Who recieve little to nothing for their $$$
Basic services don't improve
Private owners pocket $$$$
No property tax
Few jobs

Wrong swo?

Will we ever learn?]]> Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:58:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47994&title=vacant-building#47994 Vacant building : spiderjohn wrote:Studio will... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47989&title=vacant-building#47989 Author: swohio75
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 13 2017 at 10:52am

Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:


Studio will not and we will subsidize a private venture imo

Depends on how you define subsidize.

Since the building is in a CRA area. and the developer could utilize that as part of the deal.  CRA--as a reminder-- exempts increased value in property from property taxes for x period of time based on the agreement.  I believe both Goetz and TV Middletown/Torchlight Pass is using this type of agreement. 

The developer could also go after facade improvement grants as well as job creation grants.  Job creation grants/incentives are available through the city.  Facade improvement, I believe, is limited to downtown area. 

I don't see the city giving $ outright for redevelopment, imo.  


]]> Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:52:02 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47989&title=vacant-building#47989 Vacant building : Wards will come downStudio will... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47988&title=vacant-building#47988 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 12 2017 at 2:12pm

Wards will come down
Studio will not and we will subsidize a private venture imo ]]> Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:12:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47988&title=vacant-building#47988 Vacant building : SpiderThe Studio and the Mongomery... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47987&title=vacant-building#47987 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 12 2017 at 2:03pm

Spider
The Studio and the Mongomery Ward buildings both need to be torn down imo.
The Studio will cost some really big bucks to demo because it is flled with abestos. ]]> Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:03:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47987&title=vacant-building#47987 Vacant building : expect a deal on the Studio/Strand... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6437&PID=47986&title=vacant-building#47986 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 6437
Posted: Mar 12 2017 at 1:09pm

expect a deal on the Studio/Strand ----
probably a giveaway/subsidy similar to what we always see
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