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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : http://www.realtor.com/realest...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=695">middletownscouter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;17&nbsp;2017 at 9:54am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Middletown_OH/type-single-family-home/price-140000-160000/pnd-include?pgsz=50" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Middletown_OH/type-single-family-home/price-140000-160000/pnd-include?pgsz=50</a><div><br></div><div>Here's a link to realtor.com for a search for single-family properties in Middletown with a list price of $140k - $160k. &nbsp;Current search result shows right around 30, though two are really more in West Middletown / Madison area. &nbsp;When you hide the pending sales, the number available drops to 17.</div><div><br></div><div>Of those 17 properties, they are all 3 or 4 bedroom units. &nbsp;14 of them have at least 2 full bathrooms, with the other three having 1 full and at least 1 half bath. &nbsp;The square footage ranges from 1269 - 2630 (average 1759). &nbsp;All have garages (either attached or detached), the majority of them being 2 car garages (2 are only one car, one is 3 car). &nbsp;All 17 properties are in the Middletown CSD. &nbsp;Didn't have a lot of time to look at other amenities.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : RESPONSEAn interesting question...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;16&nbsp;2017 at 11:39am<br /><br /><b>RESPONSE</b><div><br></div><div>An interesting question would be to verify the number, locations and typical amenities of existing single-family homes "on the market" that sell for asking prices of $140,000 to $160,000 in the city? &nbsp;How many of these offer greater square footage, amenities, construction specifications, etc. than the subject Ryan Homes entry level models that sell for $159,900 in Amelia? &nbsp;And, what is the market absorption potential for the construction of suggested new homes?</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 11:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : Mom,I couldn&amp;#039;t agree more....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1732">buddhalite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 8:28pm<br /><br />Mom,<div><br></div><div>I couldn't agree more.&nbsp; But then.....</div><div><br></div><div>There does seem to be unanimity amongst the 4 of us who are participating in this topic...but that doesn't mean we are necessarily in the majority.&nbsp; Not saying I disagree with the sentiment - just saying that it's easy to get wrapped up in the backpatting here - but we're just 4 people out of 50k.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : Looks like there is a lot of...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1685">whistlersmom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 5:44pm<br /><br /><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Lookslike there is a lot of agreement about the Ryan homes NOT being up toour standards and therefore, NOT what the planning commission wouldwant.  So, why is the planning commission wasting time on a long tripto look at and consider something they (should) already know is wrongfor Sawyers Mill?  Unless they intend to lower the standards (again),in which case why have standards at all?</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Toredirect the focus of this topic toward how the city wastes our money. . . take note that Middletown’s major and continued expenditureof time and money has contributed to the improvement, prestige andmonetary gain (in school tax revenue) of THE SURROUNDING AREAS ofFranklin and Lebanon, much, much more than to Middletown !!!!!!!</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Aren’tRenaissance and Sawyers Mill both in Warren County?  A sign near theentrance to The Renaissance touts that they are in Lebanon / Franklinschool districts.  Students living there would not have to attend thepoorly rated Middletown schools, and of course Middletown gets noschool levy tax dollars (about 80% of real estate taxes) from them.</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Couldthis be a perfect example of why we should observe mistakes of thepast in order to avoid repeating or continuing them?</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">MrKohler, a former city planner, revealed in an earlier planningcommission meeting:</p><p align="left" style="line-height: 150%;"><font color="#373a3c">“<font face="Arial, sans-serif"><font style="font-size: 9pt">TheMaster Plan called for the area east of I-75 to be a medical campus,office complexes, future conference centers, office buildings,retail. He said this area was going to be the new area, the“Renaissance” of Middletown.”</font></font></font></p><p align="left" style="line-height: 150%;"><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">Onthe opposite side of St Rte 122 from The Renaissance development,there are acres of empty fields adjacent to Middletown RegionalHospital which remain undeveloped partly because the Renaissanceresidents (rightfully) object to the too close proximity ofcommercial or retail development which might lower the value of theirupscale properties.</font></font></font></p><p align="left" style="line-height: 150%;"><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">Morethoughtful planning </font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">bythe city </font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">concerningappropriate placement of residential properties adjacent tocommercial properties, </font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">wouldhave avoided this conflict.  Better, more advantageous use of theavailable and valuable space along the I-75 corridor,  might haveincluded more of the original Master Plan . . . office complexes etc.  We could have had booming economic growth like our neighbor, WestChester has along I-75.  Think of the much needed tax revenues thatwould </font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">have</font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">generate</font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">d</font></font></font><font color="#373a3c"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">FORMIDDLETOWN.</font></font></font></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Furthermore, whyaren’t we now rehabbing homes that are affordable for the averageMiddletonian . . . the resident who for years has paid for all thefolly, poor planning and frivolous spending (on downtown) thatresulted in higher and higher taxes for fewer and fewer services andamenities.&nbsp; </p><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Supporting the rebuilding and improvement of ourestablished neighborhoods all over Middletown should broaden our taxbase, and raise our residents’  hopes for a recovery that shouldhave taken place long ago.  IF, at the same time, we improve ourschools’ academic performance (instead of wasting tax dollars onthe unnecessary replacement of school buildings) and improve ourinfrastructure we will exponentially boost our ability to attract newhome buyers.  It would be more timely THEN to begin building newlarger homes actually located IN MIDDLETOWN (so that OUR schools gainthe tax dollar benefits).  Our time and money should benefitMiddletown, not Franklin or Lebanon.  No field trips or highly paidadvisers doing unnecessary studies, are needed.&nbsp;</p><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">&nbsp;Just use SOME COMMONSENSE!  Encourage and consider public input when examining the possibleconsequences of proposed programs and plans.  It won’t hurt !  Andit might just avoid some pitfalls and mistakes that a narrow orsingle view point might not notice  . . .  Mr Adkins. </p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%"> </p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">P.S.:  The higher standards for new housing which were adopted for upscaleRenaissance properties need not be applied to older neighborhoodswhere it PREVENTS rebuilding on the empty lots where homes have beenrazed (leaving gaping holes).  The city is actually punishing, nothelping, our older (but still vital) neighborhoods.</p>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 17:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : I don&amp;#039;t want to knock affordable...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=128">swohio75</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 1:34pm<br /><br />I don't want to knock affordable housing options, but from my perspective, Middletown is full of affordable housing options (esp in the $120-$160k price range). I think what's trying to be accomplished is modern affordable housing options and the fact these are available in neighboring communities (or at least that's the general thinking...)<div><br></div><div>I think Ryan Homes can put out a nice product. &nbsp;I am just not sure the product they are suggesting for Sawyer's Mill is the right product for Middletown or the neighborhood proposed. &nbsp;By just looking at the square foot off these homes, they don't meet Middletown's guidelines. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.ryanhomes.com/find-your-home/our-communities/ohio/amelia/ameliapark" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.ryanhomes.com/find-your-home/our-communities/ohio/amelia/ameliapark</a></div><div><br></div><div>This decision has long-term impact on the surrounding area in general. &nbsp;Anyone who watched the planning commission meetings when Fischer was requesting variances would know that those discussions were intense, often with and without compromise. &nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : Agreed, SW, When I think of Ryan...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1732">buddhalite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;14&nbsp;2017 at 12:08pm<br /><br />Agreed, SW, When I think of Ryan homes - something comes to mind that I don't think will be beneficial to Middletown.<div><br></div><div>Take a look, sure - but be wise with the decision.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : The city of Middletown put in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=128">swohio75</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2017 at 8:22pm<br /><br />The city of Middletown put &nbsp;in place several years ago standards for new housing. &nbsp;This includes lot size, minimum sq ft for a ranch, minimum first floor sq ft for two story (and overall sq ft), construction materials as landscaping. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>These standards have been relaxed (as allowed) not only for the previous Sawyer Mill developers but also for Fischer Homes in Renaissance. &nbsp;</div><div><br>This is not the first trip planning commission has taking to look at a housing product--more recently trips were made (though not very far) to look at the patio home's of Fischer Homes. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>These standards were put in place to increase the quality of new home construction on what was seen as the last several large parcels of land the city had for residential development.</div><div><br></div><div>By all means, as Budda has stated, the planning commission should absolutely make a trip to look at a development / product proposed for Middletown, especially if it drastically veers from the standards in place.</div><div><br></div><div>My personal opinion--having looked at the website of Ryan Homes and the developments reference--i am not sure what's being proposed is what's best for this development.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 20:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : The City of Middletown has too...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2017 at 5:30pm<br /><br />The City of Middletown has too many community betterment deficiencies for relevant, meaningful discussions not to take place on this blog. &nbsp;Extraneous, trivial and non-relevant posts too often stymie any hope of problem-solving discourse. &nbsp;You be the judge of what matters most to you and what might be in the best interests of rebuilding the city.]]>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : Nelson,Instead of grilling me...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1732">buddhalite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2017 at 2:15pm<br /><br />Nelson,<div><br></div><div>Instead of grilling me over my expertise (which by the way, I've never done to you, nor will I) why don't you just answer the question that I asked?</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>HOW THE CITY WASTES $$$ : Pray tell, what is your expertise...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6503<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2017 at 2:00pm<br /><br />Pray tell, what is your expertise in home building or land development? &nbsp;Your seem to be full of self-aggrandizing opinions but woefully short on real-world plans and community betterment solutions. &nbsp;The floor is yours.]]>
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